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sonnylax
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 Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:32 Post subject: Kerry/Edwards' concession speech & Bush's victory speech
Listened to both Edwards & Kerry plus Bush on the radio. Kerry did a pretty good job, but really just offered faint praise to Bush. Edwards speech made it seem like he was still campaigning. Frankly, he isn't a position to lecture anyone at this moment in time.
Think some in the Democratic party are glad that Kerry lost, so the door is open for Hillary in '08?
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:35 Post subject:
I don't think we'll see Hillary win in '08. Or Lieberman. Or Obama. This country is not ready.
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 16:36 Post subject:
I missed Edwards but heard Kerry, Cheney and Bush.
I thought both Kerry and Bush gave good speeches. I agree that the country needs to be unified, but I have my doubts it will happen in the next four years.
I think Edwards is still campaigning. I don't think we've seen the last of him.
I also think that the Clintons and friends probably wanted the Democratic ticket to win. However, it certainly doesn't hurt that the opportunity is npw available in 2008. I'll be interested to see if we hear her change her tune on that. (Up to now she has always said she isn't interested).
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 17:02 Post subject:
I thought both men gave fine speeches. Sen. Kerry seems to be more at ease with planned speeches, while Pres. Bush does better off the cuff. (or maybe seems more relaxed would be a better way to phrase it)
I couldn't help but think that if Sen. Kerry had shown this warm, open, gracious side a bit more during his campaign that the outcome may have been very different.
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sonnylax
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 17:19 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | I don't think we'll see Hillary win in '08. Or Lieberman. Or Obama. This country is not ready. |
Winning (nationally) isn't the issue. My question is whether she will run in the primaries.
Obama hasn't served one day in the US Senate, so I doubt he would be electable based on his lack of experience. I'd be willing to bet that both Clintons are eyeing a return to the White House in '08.
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 17:41 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: |
Winning (nationally) isn't the issue. My question is whether she will run in the primaries.
Obama hasn't served one day in the US Senate, so I doubt he would be electable based on his lack of experience. I'd be willing to bet that both Clintons are eyeing a return to the White House in '08. |
You're missing the point entirely. Let me make it clear for you. This country is not ready to have a woman as president, or a Jewish person, or a black person. Those particular people and their experience right now or lack thereof is irrelevant.
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 18:22 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: |
You're missing the point entirely. Let me make it clear for you. This country is not ready to have a woman as president, or a Jewish person, or a black person. Those particular people and their experience right now or lack thereof is irrelevant. |
Lieberman didn't lose because he's Jewish, he lost because he's too "moderate" for the Democrats. (This has to be true, because I even like him  )
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 18:31 Post subject:
| genie wrote: |
Lieberman didn't lose because he's Jewish, he lost because he's too "moderate" for the Democrats. (This has to be true, because I even like him ) |
i don't agree he was too moderate...he ran an ineffective, no make that inept ground organization in iowa -- knew he had no chance to win -- and he like clark pulled out of the caucus to put all their eggs in NH...nobody in iowa shut out his 'moderate' message...he didn't know how to make his message heard in iowa...
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 18:32 Post subject:
| genie wrote: |
Lieberman didn't lose because he's Jewish, he lost because he's too "moderate" for the Democrats. (This has to be true, because I even like him ) |
I don't know. I think it was the religion factor....and again, bad move on the democrats part. I have no idea why they didn't go with Lieberman. They weren't getting the Christian vote anyway Maybe both parties were afraid of a moderate voice and future formation of a strong 3rd party. I wonder how many voters the dems could have gotten from the moderates. Would have had mine, in spite of Kerry (I could have dealt with the nimrod for 4 years)
edited: I'm looking at why JL wasn't selected as running mate more than why the dems didn't put him as their candidate. He would have got "slaughtered" had he been running for prez...IMHO and that's unfornuate.
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 18:34 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: |
You're missing the point entirely. Let me make it clear for you. This country is not ready to have a woman as president, or a Jewish person, or a black person. Those particular people and their experience right now or lack thereof is irrelevant. |
i hate to admit this, but i do think that it is true...how far have we come in 40+ yrs???
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Posted: 11/03/04 - 20:31 Post subject:
Liberman lost because he has no personality! He reminds me of the FATHER from ALF! DEM's better realize that the country doesn't want a far left CANIDATE! The DEM's better get back to their grass roots as told to them by one of their own.....ZELL MILLER!
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Posted: 11/04/04 - 08:55 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: |
You're missing the point entirely. Let me make it clear for you. This country is not ready to have a woman as president, or a Jewish person, or a black person. Those particular people and their experience right now or lack thereof is irrelevant. |
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Although I would love to see Obama as a potential.
| Bill_Sev wrote: | | Liberman lost because he has no personality! He reminds me of the FATHER from ALF! DEM's better realize that the country doesn't want a far left CANIDATE! The DEM's better get back to their grass roots as told to them by one of their own.....ZELL MILLER! |
Zell Miller is a Dixiecrat which is nothing like a Democrat and more Republican than Democrat anyway.
Plus he has the added bonus of being a whack job. Duel anyone? 
And I also believe that Kerry was more moderate.
Whereas Bush is pretty far to the right, definitely not moderate.
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Posted: 11/04/04 - 08:58 Post subject:
| Wicked Flea wrote: | Although I would love to see Obama as a potential.
... And I also believe that Kerry was more moderate. Whereas Bush is pretty far to the right, definitely not moderate. |
1) I would, too. He's wicked smart and eloquently articulate, but I think due to his color Obama's got as good a chance of being nominated as Osama.
2) Amen, sister.
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sonnylax
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Posted: 11/04/04 - 09:42 Post subject:
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megawill
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Posted: 11/04/04 - 10:28 Post subject:
so what is the point exactly...she does have the right to run doesn't she?
fwiw...let me state flat out here and now Hillary Clinton will not be the next Democratic Nominee for president...
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