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keltic63
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 Posted: 06/08/06 - 16:12 Post subject: Keeping on topic
How does same sex marriage detract, lessen, void, impose upon, or otherwise negate, straight marriage?
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 06/08/06 - 16:27 Post subject:
People who feel that the institution of marriage is holy think that allowing alternative types of marriage lessens or cheapens what marriage is.
That's one way to look at it. Another is that institutions are what people make them to be, such that they're somewhat malleable and thus there's no inherent threat.
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j1miller
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Posted: 06/08/06 - 21:03 Post subject:
I think people that cheat detract much more than gay people who are true to each other ever could.
To answer your question, Keltic, Gay marraige does not detract from the meaning of marriage in any way, IMHO.
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Gogirlgo
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Posted: 06/08/06 - 21:44 Post subject:
| j1miller wrote: | | I think people that cheat detract much more than gay people who are true to each other ever could. |
That's what I'm talkin' 'bout. If we're really going to be divisive, and make it about us and them, why are we worried about them when it's us that are so bad to marriage?
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andydp
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Posted: 06/09/06 - 06:37 Post subject:
Besides the cheating:
How about Britney's 55 minute marriage ?
Liz Taylor's eight ?
Perhaps New Gingrichs' three marrianges - and to cap it off telling wife # 2 about divorce proceedings while she is undergoing chemo for breast cancer.
Henry Hyde's Adultery - Mr Hyde was the prosecutor in Pres Clinton's impeachment.
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copteacher
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Posted: 06/09/06 - 07:07 Post subject:
what about polygamy?
I think defining marriage also clarifies it in that sense too.
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Posted: 06/09/06 - 07:11 Post subject:
the real point of same sex 'marrage' is to make homosexuality seem more normal and acceptable - which it simply is not
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andydp
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Posted: 06/09/06 - 07:37 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | the real point of same sex 'marrage' is to make homosexuality seem more normal and acceptable - which it simply is not |
You haven't answered the question: How does that undermine YOUR marriage ?
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kristin31
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Posted: 06/09/06 - 11:19 Post subject: Re: Keeping on topic
| keltic63 wrote: | | How does same sex marriage detract, lessen, void, impose upon, or otherwise negate, straight marriage? |
It does not.
In fact, I remember an interesting story from a Greek mythology class years ago.
According to the ancient Greeks, at one point people were in twos, joined together. The couple could be a woman and a man, a man and a man, or a woman and a woman. The gods got angry because the people were so happy, enjoying each other and not paying homage to the gods as often as the deemed necessary. The gods sent down lightning bolts to separate the couples and storms to scatter them away from their partners. That is why to this day, people look for their "other half".
(OK, it's Greek mythology, but still).
I don't see how gay marriage dtracts or lessens heterosexual marriage at all. I've got a lot more important things to concern myself with than who is getting married to whom.
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Wicked Flea
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Posted: 06/09/06 - 12:26 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | | the real point of same sex 'marrage' is to make homosexuality seem more normal and acceptable - which it simply is not |
So it's not to provide those individuals the same benefits that heterosexual married couples enjoy?
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keltic63
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Posted: 06/09/06 - 16:40 Post subject:
| copteacher wrote: | what about polygamy?
I think defining marriage also clarifies it in that sense too. |
Slippery Slope arguments don't work very well. For instance, regarding Viet Nam during the war: "If we don't stop Communism there, it may soon spread like a cancer." We didn't stop Communism, but has it taken over the world? We have gun control concerning some automatic weapons, but has it removed rifles from the hands of hunters? A young lady allows herself to be kissed before marriage but she doesn't become a prostitute because of the kiss.
Polygamy: "Gay people aren't asking to marry everybody they love, they're asking for what heterosexuals possess already: the legal right to marry somebody they love." Jonathan Rauch
We simply make the law that states one person, one spouse and monogamy is defended. And remember, if marriage is so good that heterosexuals feel the need to defend it, wouldn't it make sense to not only encourage gay people to marry, but expect them to marry?
Imagine being told that you are a second class citizen, less than everyone else, and that your relationships are trivial. What would that do to your self-esteem? Imagine being told that your love interest, your intimate desires are repulsive, and comparable to pedophilia, necrophilia, and bestiality (notice the correct spelling!) If society tells you that this is the value of your relationships, how much are you going to invest in yourself and your relationships? Because of society's misinformation about homosexuality, some gay people end up in poor relationships, no relationships, or promiscuity. They end up in some very dark places. What if this is no longer how society treats homosexuals? They meet in healthy, wholesome places, and develop healthy relationships, and preserve the fine institution of marriage. How is that not good for society?
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Posted: 06/09/06 - 17:47 Post subject:
| keltic63 wrote: | | Because of society's misinformation about homosexuality, some gay people end up in poor relationships, no relationships, or promiscuity. They end up in some very dark places. |
| keltic63 wrote: | | Slippery Slope arguments don't work very well. |
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Posted: 06/09/06 - 17:49 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | | keltic63 wrote: | | Because of society's misinformation about homosexuality, some gay people end up in poor relationships, no relationships, or promiscuity. They end up in some very dark places. |
| keltic63 wrote: | | Slippery Slope arguments don't work very well. |
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He's talking about consequences of discrimination, not making a slippery slope arguement. Not that same thing at all.
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keltic63
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Posted: 06/09/06 - 17:56 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | | keltic63 wrote: | | Because of society's misinformation about homosexuality, some gay people end up in poor relationships, no relationships, or promiscuity. They end up in some very dark places. |
| keltic63 wrote: | | Slippery Slope arguments don't work very well. |
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what sent Lonnie Latham to a cruising park? Was it his orientation or was it what he'd been taught about his orientation?
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kristin31
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Posted: 06/09/06 - 19:06 Post subject:
Keltic has some very good points. I know several beautiful people who, as teens/young adults were made to feel ashamed of themselves and their sexuality. One is one of the most talented artists that I have ever met, and a wonderful person who taught art to children for a time, until some people in a narrow minded small town thought he was a hazard to children (for god's sake, he was gay, not a pedophile).
Another is one of the best auto mechanics I know, who still isn't out at work despite of his position at the dealership (head mechanic) because he is afraid of the consequences.
Being discriminated agianst because of your sexual orientation is the same as being discriminated against because of your gender and race, and carries the same ramifications. What comes next? Do we go back to the days when African-Americans couldn't marry Caucasians, and Asian-Americans were thrown in "camps", and Italians and Jewish people were considered lower-clas citizens?
Why does it matter to people if two consenting adults want to marry? It is no one else's business. Don't people have more important things to worry about rather than who is marrying whom?
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