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GaRebelRunner
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 Posted: 06/13/06 - 19:30 Post subject:
| robp wrote: | | You can't back a word of that up and that is a really weak response GRR. You sound like... like you're whining. |
Why sure Karl Rove is innocent. And so is O.J. Simpson. I'm over being concerned about what goes on in the Bush Administration. Whatever it is, is simply not good for the U.S. Even Richard Nixon was not as unethical and dishonest as this Administration. And I actually voted for Nixon - the last Republican President I voted for.
I did vote for Sonny for Governor in the last Georgia Gubernatorial election, though.
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andydp
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Posted: 06/13/06 - 20:37 Post subject:
| robp wrote: | | GaRebelRunner wrote: | | Yes, Rowe should be fired. He is a symbol of the arrogance and tyranny of the current Bush Administration. There is no doubt he would be willing to sacrifice at best simply the career and at worst the lives of Americans who disagree with him and/or the the Administration. |
You can't back a word of that up and that is a really weak response GRR. You sound like... like you're whining. |
Stop denying it and look at what has has happened.
Based on past history (how soon we forget when its "our hero") Carl Rove would sell his mother to a shark pool if it would advance his ideology. Who do you think started (or directed the start of ) rumors of John Mc Cain's mental soundness ? Or the Georgia representative, triple amputee war hero's mental stability (Forgive me for not knowing the name). I sincerely doubt the Swift Boaters did it all on their own initiative. Just look at the funding sources and tell me they have no connection to the big mucky ups of the GOP - who do you think gets that kind of access ?
Its Carl Rove that has outlined exactly how this administration would conduct business and how Congress was to be kept in line. It was Rove who recently said there would be repercussions for not following the "President's" wishes on a couple of issues. BTW: Based on the surging 29% approval rating, I note this little issue has not resurfaced except for the one original mention.
Even though I voted for Nixon twice, he was NEVER as bad as this administration.
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Posted: 06/13/06 - 22:32 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: | | Or the Georgia representative, triple amputee war hero's mental stability (Forgive me for not knowing the name). |
Negative Andy. Senator Max Cleland was booted from office by Georgia Voters because he sold his soul to the liberal elite, led by one Tom Dashale. He voted like a California or Mass democrat, not a Senator representing a largely conservative Southern state.
Typical playbook from the left. Lets not make him a sympathy victim and thus bulletproof. His getting canned out of office had nothing to do with his amputee status and EVERYTHING to do with voting record.
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Posted: 06/14/06 - 08:04 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: | | robp wrote: | | GaRebelRunner wrote: | | Yes, Rowe should be fired. He is a symbol of the arrogance and tyranny of the current Bush Administration. There is no doubt he would be willing to sacrifice at best simply the career and at worst the lives of Americans who disagree with him and/or the the Administration. |
You can't back a word of that up and that is a really weak response GRR. You sound like... like you're whining. |
Stop denying it and look at what has has happened.
Based on past history (how soon we forget when its "our hero") Carl Rove would sell his mother to a shark pool if it would advance his ideology. Who do you think started (or directed the start of ) rumors of John Mc Cain's mental soundness ? Or the Georgia representative, triple amputee war hero's mental stability (Forgive me for not knowing the name). I sincerely doubt the Swift Boaters did it all on their own initiative. Just look at the funding sources and tell me they have no connection to the big mucky ups of the GOP - who do you think gets that kind of access ?
Its Carl Rove that has outlined exactly how this administration would conduct business and how Congress was to be kept in line. It was Rove who recently said there would be repercussions for not following the "President's" wishes on a couple of issues. BTW: Based on the surging 29% approval rating, I note this little issue has not resurfaced except for the one original mention.
Even though I voted for Nixon twice, he was NEVER as bad as this administration. |
Andy, it would've been the biggest feather in Patrick Fitzgeralds cap ever if he could've indicted Rove. He would've been a hero and a star and a media darling. If there was any way in hell he had anything on Rove he would've indicted him. He got zilch.
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andydp
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Posted: 06/14/06 - 14:21 Post subject:
This will go on forever.
To me Carl Rove is the Cardinal Richelieu of the Bush Administration: controlling everything but staying in the background. To the other side of the aisle he is the epitome of the neocon elite and a wonderful human being eligible for saint hood.
Take your pick.
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airehead
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Posted: 06/14/06 - 15:13 Post subject:
People with power like he has frighten me.
Those who aspire to those positions frighten me, too.
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sonnylax
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Posted: 06/20/06 - 18:27 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: | This will go on forever.
To me Carl Rove is the Cardinal Richelieu of the Bush Administration: controlling everything but staying in the background. To the other side of the aisle he is the epitome of the neocon elite and a wonderful human being eligible for saint hood.
Take your pick. |
I pick neither. All modern day presidential adminstrations have had "behind the scenes" top level advisors just like Carl Rove. The media's overall distain for Bush fuels their scrutiny over Rove.
He ain't a saint, but he is a good trusted advisor of the president. Why can't people leave it at that?
I agree 100% with robp - If Fitzgerald would have had anything on Rove, he would have taken it to the bank.
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Posted: 06/20/06 - 18:29 Post subject:
| airehead wrote: | People with power like he has frighten me.
Those who aspire to those positions frighten me, too. |
Do you think this was any different that any other adminstration (from either side of the aisle)?
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GaRebelRunner
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Posted: 06/21/06 - 19:51 Post subject:
[quote="sonnylax"] | andydp wrote: | He ain't a saint, but he is a good trusted advisor of the president. Why can't people leave it at that?
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He just adds one more cog to what will be looked at by historians as one of the most morally and ethically corrupt and incompetent administrations to ever be in power. The old adage power corrupts is nowhere more evident than in the Bush Administration. I used to think Nixon was the worst President we have ever had (and I voted for the man in '72). I don't really think Bush himself is that bad himself. But he has surrounded himself with dishonest and incompetent persons to advise him on policies. Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld will be the names considered by historians as actually controlling and running the Bush Presidency. Who knows, maybe historians will refer to this as the puppet administration.
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Posted: 06/21/06 - 20:34 Post subject:
The 22nd Amendment, can I get an Amen?
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andydp
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Posted: 06/22/06 - 06:39 Post subject:
| GaRebelRunner wrote: | | sonnylax wrote: | He ain't a saint, but he is a good trusted advisor of the president. Why can't people leave it at that?
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He just adds one more cog to what will be looked at by historians as one of the most morally and ethically corrupt and incompetent administrations to ever be in power. The old adage power corrupts is nowhere more evident than in the Bush Administration. I used to think Nixon was the worst President we have ever had (and I voted for the man in '72). I don't really think Bush himself is that bad himself. But he has surrounded himself with dishonest and incompetent persons to advise him on policies. Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld will be the names considered by historians as actually controlling and running the Bush Presidency. Who knows, maybe historians will refer to this as the puppet administration. |
Because of its control of the Presidency, the House and Senate, this administration has consistently thought it did not have to answer to the electorate. Look at how much stonewalling they did before they reluctantly agreed to a 9/11 Commission.
This administration has basically done what it wanted to. From hiding Dick Cheney's hunting accident to declaring the Continental US a Military Zone. After all, who was going to be the check and balance ? The House ? The House speaker has said he is the President's rep in the House. What kind of check is that ? Hey, once they get that third Supreme Pat Robertson is "asking God for", who can stop them ?
Personally, a purely Democratic situation would be just as crazy.
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Posted: 06/22/06 - 11:15 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: | | This administration has basically done what it wanted to. |
That's the way it works when we elect our representatives to Congress or the White House. The left controlled the House for 40+ years before nineties. They basically got to do what they wanted then. Turnabout is fair play, no?
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Posted: 06/22/06 - 15:01 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: | | andydp wrote: | | This administration has basically done what it wanted to. |
That's the way it works when we elect our representatives to Congress or the White House. The left controlled the House for 40+ years before nineties. They basically got to do what they wanted then. Turnabout is fair play, no? |
Lest we forget: for many of those 40+ years there was a Republican President or one of the houses was under control of another party. The inherent danger in this situation is the virtual lack of checks and balances.
Before I am misunderstood: I would have the same worry if it was the Democratic party in full control. One only has to study history of the 1920's through 1945 to see where unchecked governmental power lead to. For that matter, take a look at Eastern Europe or China under the Communists - with the prime example being East Germany.
Human nature is the same everywhere, reguardless of the party. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" is not just retoric. Tom DeLay is a prime example, as is the unfolding Abrahamoff scandal, of what happens when people think they are above the law or that the law will not catch up to them.
Wasn't it Mr DeLay who wanted to change the ethics rules so even if he was under indictment he could retain his leadership positions ? Before you call Mr De Lay's indictment a political witch hunt be aware the Democratic Texas prosecutor that indicted Mr Delay has indicted more Democrats that Republicans. (I notice Mr Delay is not using that tactic anymore once the actual figures were published)
Politics is a very dirty business regardless of who is in power.
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