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cherylpf
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 17:10 Post subject:
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I still want to know who in that already-proven-to-be-totally-incompetent system down there is monitoring this to make sure no one gets to submit more than one ballot. Does anyone know, is Broward County heavier one way or the other as far as favoring a party? |
That may actually be part of MM's point, the system is flawed, no one is watching, without media stepping up and calling out the flaws, who would monitor it? Would you have even have heard about the missing ballots had the story about Moore showing up not surfaced? Would your opinion on the story change if the person staging a protest in Broward County was Rudy Giuliani?
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genie
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 17:14 Post subject:
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That may actually be part of MM's point, the system is flawed, no one is watching, without media stepping up and calling out the flaws, who would monitor it? Would you have even have heard about the missing ballots had the story about Moore showing up not surfaced? Would your opinion on the story change if the person staging a protest in Broward County was Rudy Giuliani? |
Do you honestly believe that Moore would be making this much of a stink if his archenemy George Bush stood to benefit from his "protests?"
Probably not, because Giuliani has more integrity in his little finger than Moore has in his whole bloated body. Moore is a known Bush-HATAH, not just a Kerry advocate, and I find it extremely suspicious that he would give a rat's patootie about anything that wouldn't help Kerry or would help Bush. That man has his own agenda for pretty much every word that comes out of his mouth. Just MHO.
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kristin31
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 17:24 Post subject:
I'm unsure as to which way Broward is swayed. As screwed up as this system down here is, who knows if it's even accurate?
To add to this, guess what I just found in the mailbox today! Our applications to register to RECEIVE an absentee ballot!! Come on, people! The election is next Tuesday! Is that scary or what?
Apparently, the Board of Elections had added more people to it's staff -
Broward early voting hours extended until 8 p.m. tonight and Friday
BY AMY SHERMAN
asherman@herald.com
Broward County has extended early voting hours until 8 p.m. tonight and Friday night at all 14 early voting locations, to better accommodate the large number of people who have shown up to cast a ballot.
The locations had been slated to close at 6 p.m. Officials are hoping the extra four hours of voting this week will reduce the lines on Election Day, Nov. 2.
In addition, the county has opened its emergency operations center to handle voters' questions about absentee ballots.
The county had planned on opening the center on Election Day as it has done in previous elections, but due to voters' complaints about missing ballots and difficulty reaching elections officials, the county implemented a new plan last night, said EOC spokesman Carl Fowler.
There are 50 county workers staffing the EOC, which can be reached at 954-831-4000. Normally 20 people answer phones at that number, which is typically a county government information center when the EOC is not operational.
The center will take calls from 8:30 a.m. to 5 p.m. today and Friday. No weekend hours are planned.
By 3:15 p.m. today, the center had received about 3,300 calls. That's about double the normal volume. Many of the callers are asking questions about how they can get an absentee ballot or the status of previous requests to get ballots.
''This was done in response to the volume of calls that have been received and to try to help get ballots out to people,'' Fowler said.
The supervisor of elections announced Wednesday that they will mail 75,000 absentee ballots to voters who requested them but have not received them.
Controversial film maker Michael Moore is expected to speak about the missing ballots at the supervisor of elections office in Fort Lauderdale at 7 p.m.
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genie
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 17:29 Post subject:
The only reason I'd even half believe this is a legitimate issue is that I know how crappy your mail system is down there. But I'm still not convinced this isn't simply more hjinks. I suppose we'll find out a few months after the election though.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 17:40 Post subject:
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Do you honestly believe that Moore would be making this much of a stink if his archenemy George Bush stood to benefit from his "protests?"
Probably not, because Giuliani has more integrity in his little finger than Moore has in his whole bloated body. Moore is a known Bush-HATAH, not just a Kerry advocate, and I find it extremely suspicious that he would give a rat's patootie about anything that wouldn't help Kerry or would help Bush. That man has his own agenda for pretty much every word that comes out of his mouth. Just MHO. |
I don't see how missing ballots helps either candidate. Do you really think that it is a plan by the Democrats to pick out Republican voters who should have been getting their absentee ballots and hijacking them?? I just don't see how Moore protesting this big screw up as being pro-Kerry or Anti-Bush.
I guess that I just don't have that type of "consipracy theory" mentality. For instance I understand both points of view concerning the mess in Fla during the last elections. I have my own opinion about what happened, but that doesn't convince me that one party or the other is always trying to cause problems.
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Cappy
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 17:44 Post subject:
Problems like this are only going to discourage people from coming to the polls in the futures
Anyone who votes, should have confidence that their vote is going to be counted accurately and fairly
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genie
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 17:52 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | Problems like this are only going to discourage people from coming to the polls in the futures
Anyone who votes, should have confidence that their vote is going to be counted accurately and fairly |
And once. Which is what we're all alloted.
We shall see how this all pans out. No one's opinions are going to change anyway, so honestly, to my mind a lot of these "debates" are pretty pointless. And it's not like we can control what's happening in any state, even our own. I guess half of us will get the government we deserve and the other half will just have to suck it up. I know which side I hope to be on.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 17:59 Post subject:
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That kinda highlights my point. He won't even offer to help. This cements in my mind even further that he's there for his own name sake and selling movies.
Take for instance Bill Gates. He sees a problem with computer technology in one of the schools in the Seattle area. He doesn't stage a protest. He doesn't rally parents to demand the principal do something. No, he pulls out the checkbook and corrects the problem.
Now Michael Moore isn't in the same league as Bill Gates, but has pulled himself in to a league where he can start to do something more than gripe and bring attention to problems. |
What would you like to see him do? Besides paying for the problem because like other's have said money has already been spent and the problems are not fixed.
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Cappy
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 18:10 Post subject:
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What would you like to see him do? Besides paying for the problem because like other's have said money has already been spent and the problems are not fixed. |
I'd like to see him offer an objective solution on how to resolve the problem?
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Posted: 10/29/04 - 10:15 Post subject:
The problem here isn't that Michael Moore, or Bruce Springsteen, or even Bushie Curt Schilling is making a stink about something, the problem is that, even after 2000, there is a problem at all. For a few months states and localities got all concerned with voting problems, purge lists, and hanging chads. A few places bought touch screen machines (ignoring their inherent lack of accountability, a fact that was buried until so recently that it's 'too late do do anything about') and then everybody forgot about it until three weeks before the election.
Well I think the influx of new voters and the numbers voting this election will be huge, maybe the biggest % since 1964, and the systems in place are just not going to be up to handling it.
It will make good RR fodder, though
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kristin31
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Posted: 10/29/04 - 10:34 Post subject:
| RexRacer wrote: | The problem here isn't that Michael Moore, or Bruce Springsteen, or even Bushie Curt Schilling is making a stink about something, the problem is that, even after 2000, there is a problem at all. For a few months states and localities got all concerned with voting problems, purge lists, and hanging chads. A few places bought touch screen machines (ignoring their inherent lack of accountability, a fact that was buried until so recently that it's 'too late do do anything about') and then everybody forgot about it until three weeks before the election.
Well I think the influx of new voters and the numbers voting this election will be huge, maybe the biggest % since 1964, and the systems in place are just not going to be up to handling it.
It will make good RR fodder, though  |
That was my point in the first place! 58,000 is a LOT of ballots to lose. Why weren't measures taken to prevent this type of error. I hate to sound pessimistic, but I'm sure that there will be more mistakes before this ends. I am voting next Tuesday (I always do) but issues like this make me wonder what else could happen. Will they "lose" our votes? I want my vote counted properly, dammit!
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jrjo
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Posted: 10/29/04 - 10:37 Post subject:
There is two problems as I see it. Yes, one is the hanging chads, the purge lists and touch screens or whatever the problematic case might be. But the one I want to focus on that Michael Moore and whatever other millionaire hollywood darling wants to get some publicity off the problems of some voting districts inadequate procedures, then why don't they actually DO something about it.
I don't have any qualms with free speech or questioning authority, but what I'd like to see is that people like Michael Moore that have a support base of people, money and attention, put those resources to work for a solution instead of living life behind a bullhorn pointing out the inadequacies in the world. Heck, you, I or any old Joe can look at world and find things wrong it, whether it's voting, environment or world policy. But it's the real LEADERS of this planet that actually DO something.
Michael Moore has made his point. Is he now just going to fade back into the woodwork until the next road bump comes along? Is that his only purpose in life, to yell and point fingers? Come on, we all live in neighborhoods and communities where we know things only get done when people put their noses to the grindstone and DO something. Shouting and protesting have never installed a new voting machine. Nor has it ever registered a new citizen to vote. No, it's the people that actually get the budget approved and buy the machines that are doing something. It's the people in the office of voter registration that do their jobs accurately that get something done. It's not Michael Moore et al and their bootstomping camera entourage that DO anything. So that's what I'm trying to get across is that people with means and the public eye have the responsibility for doing more than flapping their gums, it's time that they walk the talk and fix the problem instead of just griping about it.
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Posted: 10/29/04 - 10:38 Post subject:
Update on the missing ballots.......
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (Reuters) - Fears that thousands of absentee election ballots had gone astray in a hotly contested Florida county appear to have been allayed on Thursday when officials said a far small number were missing.
"The extent of the problem is not going to be as great as it appeared," Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes told a news conference, easing concerns of a resurgence of the kind of problems that dogged the 2000 election.
Officials in Broward said this week that nearly 60,000 absentee ballots mailed on Oct. 7 and 8 had not reached voters' homes.
But Snipes said that in fact of 128,000 absentee ballots mailed to voters who will not be able to vote in person next Tuesday, 72,000 had been filled in and sent back and the rest were coming in at a rate of 10,000 a day.
She said that instead of having to send out as many as 58,000 replacement ballots, the county would probably only have to resend 10,000 to 15,000.
"I think it was more of a delay than that the ballots were lost," Snipes said.
With the memories of the 2000 race and all signs pointing to a neck-and-neck race in many states this year, Democrats and Republicans have prepared teams of lawyers to fight their causes should there be disputes.
Reports that nearly 60,000 ballots were missing, representing more than 5 percent of the county's electorate -- alarmed voters, democracy activists and officials.
U.S. Postal Service investigators began hunting for the ballots, while insisting 58,000 pieces of mail do not simply go missing, and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement also launched a speedy investigation.
Snipes said the election authorities, inundated with phone calls from anxious voters who had not received their ballots, had contacted the Postal Service investigators "in an abundance of caution." She added that the Florida police had reported back that "no criminal activity was determined."
The Broward County elections office set up a hotline on Thursday for voters who wanted their absentee ballots to be mailed again, and had received 267 calls so far, she said.
The county is also calling out-of-state voters to see whether they had received their voting forms and would courier any replacement ballots needed.
In 2000 the race in Florida, on which the national contest ultimately depended, was so close it prompted five weeks of lawsuits, recounts and accusations of foul play.
President Bush (news - web sites) eventually won Florida's electoral votes and the White House when the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) halted the ballot recounts, angering Democrats who believe Democrat Al Gore (news - web sites) won the state's popular vote.
Broward County has Florida's second highest number of registered voters, behind only neighboring Miami-Dade County, and is one of the state's most heavily Democratic counties.
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Posted: 10/29/04 - 11:19 Post subject:
| AlaninTX wrote: | Update on the missing ballots.......
She said that instead of having to send out as many as 58,000 replacement ballots, the county would probably only have to resend 10,000 to 15,000.
"I think it was more of a delay than that the ballots were lost," Snipes said.
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Well I hope it is just a delay and they can be found and counted in time, but 10,000 ballots is still a lot considering the last election came down to 500 votes.
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kristin31
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Posted: 10/29/04 - 11:44 Post subject:
10,000 is still a LOT of ballots. That number could certainly decide an election.
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