The time now is 07/24/08 - 09:15
Log in: Username: Password:
Search forums for:
  
Calculator Running Log Uploads Smilies Calendar
FAQ Search    Articles Register Log in

It's starting already....


www.runningforums.com Forum Index -> On-Topic Goto page Previous   1, 2

Post new topic   Reply to topic
cherylpf
crazy cat lady
Reply with quote
Joined: 14 May 2002
Posts: 17305
| Back to top
PostPosted: 10/28/04 - 17:10    Post subject:
genie wrote:

I still want to know who in that already-proven-to-be-totally-incompetent system down there is monitoring this to make sure no one gets to submit more than one ballot. Does anyone know, is Broward County heavier one way or the other as far as favoring a party?

That may actually be part of MM's point, the system is flawed, no one is watching, without media stepping up and calling out the flaws, who would monitor it? Would you have even have heard about the missing ballots had the story about Moore showing up not surfaced? Would your opinion on the story change if the person staging a protest in Broward County was Rudy Giuliani?
genie
Master of Prissface
Reply with quote
Joined: 14 May 2002
Posts: 16194
Location: Finding serenity one day at a time
| Back to top
PostPosted: 10/28/04 - 17:14    Post subject:
cherylpf wrote:

That may actually be part of MM's point, the system is flawed, no one is watching, without media stepping up and calling out the flaws, who would monitor it? Would you have even have heard about the missing ballots had the story about Moore showing up not surfaced? Would your opinion on the story change if the person staging a protest in Broward County was Rudy Giuliani?


Do you honestly believe that Moore would be making this much of a stink if his archenemy George Bush stood to benefit from his "protests?"
Probably not, because Giuliani has more integrity in his little finger than Moore has in his whole bloated body. Moore is a known Bush-HATAH, not just a Kerry advocate, and I find it extremely suspicious that he would give a rat's patootie about anything that wouldn't help Kerry or would help Bush. That man has his own agenda for pretty much every word that comes out of his mouth. Just MHO.
kristin31
Member
Reply with quote
Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 8045
Location: Caught in the crossfire of childhood and stardom
| Back to top
PostPosted: 10/28/04 - 17:24    Post subject:
I'm unsure as to which way Broward is swayed. As screwed up as this system down here is, who knows if it's even accurate?

To add to this, guess what I just found in the mailbox today! Our applications to register to RECEIVE an absentee ballot!! Come on, people! The election is next Tuesday! Is that scary or what?

Apparently, the Board of Elections had added more people to it's staff -

Broward early voting hours extended until 8 p.m. tonight and Friday

BY AMY SHERMAN

asherman@herald.com

Broward County has extended early voting hours until 8 p.m. tonight and Friday night at all 14 early voting locations, to better accommodate the large number of people who have shown up to cast a ballot.

The locations had been slated to close at 6 p.m. Officials are hoping the extra four hours of voting this week will reduce the lines on Election Day, Nov. 2.

In addition, the county has opened its emergency operations center to handle voters' questions about absentee ballots.

The county had planned on opening the center on Election Day as it has done in previous elections, but due to voters' complaints about missing ballots and difficulty reaching elections officials, the county implemented a new plan last night, said EOC spokesman Carl Fowler.

There are 50 county workers staffing the EOC, which can be reached at 954-831-4000. Normally 20 people answer phones at that number, which is typically a county government information center when the EOC is not operational.

The center will take calls from 8:30 a.m. to 5 p.m. today and Friday. No weekend hours are planned.

By 3:15 p.m. today, the center had received about 3,300 calls. That's about double the normal volume. Many of the callers are asking questions about how they can get an absentee ballot or the status of previous requests to get ballots.

''This was done in response to the volume of calls that have been received and to try to help get ballots out to people,'' Fowler said.

The supervisor of elections announced Wednesday that they will mail 75,000 absentee ballots to voters who requested them but have not received them.

Controversial film maker Michael Moore is expected to speak about the missing ballots at the supervisor of elections office in Fort Lauderdale at 7 p.m.
genie
Master of Prissface
Reply with quote
Joined: 14 May 2002
Posts: 16194
Location: Finding serenity one day at a time
| Back to top
PostPosted: 10/28/04 - 17:29    Post subject:
The only reason I'd even half believe this is a legitimate issue is that I know how crappy your mail system is down there. But I'm still not convinced this isn't simply more hjinks. I suppose we'll find out a few months after the election though.
phillycat
Member
Reply with quote
Joined: 14 Jul 2004
Posts: 1953
Location: Da hood
| Back to top
PostPosted: 10/28/04 - 17:40    Post subject:
genie wrote:


Do you honestly believe that Moore would be making this much of a stink if his archenemy George Bush stood to benefit from his "protests?"
Probably not, because Giuliani has more integrity in his little finger than Moore has in his whole bloated body. Moore is a known Bush-HATAH, not just a Kerry advocate, and I find it extremely suspicious that he would give a rat's patootie about anything that wouldn't help Kerry or would help Bush. That man has his own agenda for pretty much every word that comes out of his mouth. Just MHO.


I don't see how missing ballots helps either candidate. Do you really think that it is a plan by the Democrats to pick out Republican voters who should have been getting their absentee ballots and hijacking them?? I just don't see how Moore protesting this big screw up as being pro-Kerry or Anti-Bush.

I guess that I just don't have that type of "consipracy theory" mentality. For instance I understand both points of view concerning the mess in Fla during the last elections. I have my own opinion about what happened, but that doesn't convince me that one party or the other is always trying to cause problems.
Cappy
Excelent
Reply with quote
Joined: 16 May 2002
Posts: 27368
Location: Spreadsheetylvania
| Back to top
PostPosted: 10/28/04 - 17:44    Post subject:
Problems like this are only going to discourage people from coming to the polls in the futures

Anyone who votes, should have confidence that their vote is going to be counted accurately and fairly
genie
Master of Prissface
Reply with quote
Joined: 14 May 2002
Posts: 16194
Location: Finding serenity one day at a time
| Back to top
PostPosted: 10/28/04 - 17:52    Post subject:
Cappy wrote:
Problems like this are only going to discourage people from coming to the polls in the futures

Anyone who votes, should have confidence that their vote is going to be counted accurately and fairly


And once. Which is what we're all alloted.

We shall see how this all pans out. No one's opinions are going to change anyway, so honestly, to my mind a lot of these "debates" are pretty pointless. And it's not like we can control what's happening in any state, even our own. I guess half of us will get the government we deserve and the other half will just have to suck it up. I know which side I hope to be on. Sad
camelia bedelia
Member
Reply with quote
Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 2808
Location: God's Country
| Back to top
PostPosted: 10/28/04 - 17:59    Post subject:
jrjo wrote:


That kinda highlights my point. He won't even offer to help. This cements in my mind even further that he's there for his own name sake and selling movies.

Take for instance Bill Gates. He sees a problem with computer technology in one of the schools in the Seattle area. He doesn't stage a protest. He doesn't rally parents to demand the principal do something. No, he pulls out the checkbook and corrects the problem.

Now Michael Moore isn't in the same league as Bill Gates, but has pulled himself in to a league where he can start to do something more than gripe and bring attention to problems.


What would you like to see him do? Besides paying for the problem because like other's have said money has already been spent and the problems are not fixed.
Cappy
Excelent
Reply with quote
Joined: 16 May 2002
Posts: 27368
Location: Spreadsheetylvania
| Back to top
PostPosted: 10/28/04 - 18:10    Post subject:
camelia bedelia wrote:


What would you like to see him do? Besides paying for the problem because like other's have said money has already been spent and the problems are not fixed.


I'd like to see him offer an objective solution on how to resolve the problem?
RexRacer
Member
Reply with quote
Joined: 17 Aug 2004
Posts: 814
Location: A pancake house of ineffable crappiness
| Back to top
PostPosted: 10/29/04 - 10:15    Post subject:
The problem here isn't that Michael Moore, or Bruce Springsteen, or even Bushie Curt Schilling is making a stink about something, the problem is that, even after 2000, there is a problem at all. For a few months states and localities got all concerned with voting problems, purge lists, and hanging chads. A few places bought touch screen machines (ignoring their inherent lack of accountability, a fact that was buried until so recently that it's 'too late do do anything about') and then everybody forgot about it until three weeks before the election.

Well I think the influx of new voters and the numbers voting this election will be huge, maybe the biggest % since 1964, and the systems in place are just not going to be up to handling it.

It will make good RR fodder, though Wink
kristin31
Member
Reply with quote
Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 8045
Location: Caught in the crossfire of childhood and stardom
| Back to top
PostPosted: 10/29/04 - 10:34    Post subject:
RexRacer wrote:
The problem here isn't that Michael Moore, or Bruce Springsteen, or even Bushie Curt Schilling is making a stink about something, the problem is that, even after 2000, there is a problem at all. For a few months states and localities got all concerned with voting problems, purge lists, and hanging chads. A few places bought touch screen machines (ignoring their inherent lack of accountability, a fact that was buried until so recently that it's 'too late do do anything about') and then everybody forgot about it until three weeks before the election.

Well I think the influx of new voters and the numbers voting this election will be huge, maybe the biggest % since 1964, and the systems in place are just not going to be up to handling it.

It will make good RR fodder, though Wink



That was my point in the first place! 58,000 is a LOT of ballots to lose. Why weren't measures taken to prevent this type of error. I hate to sound pessimistic, but I'm sure that there will be more mistakes before this ends. I am voting next Tuesday (I always do) but issues like this make me wonder what else could happen. Will they "lose" our votes? I want my vote counted properly, dammit!
jrjo
Gone Fishin
Reply with quote
Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 16451
Location: Lake Wobegon, MN
| Back to top
PostPosted: 10/29/04 - 10:37    Post subject:
There is two problems as I see it. Yes, one is the hanging chads, the purge lists and touch screens or whatever the problematic case might be. But the one I want to focus on that Michael Moore and whatever other millionaire hollywood darling wants to get some publicity off the problems of some voting districts inadequate procedures, then why don't they actually DO something about it.

I don't have any qualms with free speech or questioning authority, but what I'd like to see is that people like Michael Moore that have a support base of people, money and attention, put those resources to work for a solution instead of living life behind a bullhorn pointing out the inadequacies in the world. Heck, you, I or any old Joe can look at world and find things wrong it, whether it's voting, environment or world policy. But it's the real LEADERS of this planet that actually DO something.

Michael Moore has made his point. Is he now just going to fade back into the woodwork until the next road bump comes along? Is that his only purpose in life, to yell and point fingers? Come on, we all live in neighborhoods and communities where we know things only get done when people put their noses to the grindstone and DO something. Shouting and protesting have never installed a new voting machine. Nor has it ever registered a new citizen to vote. No, it's the people that actually get the budget approved and buy the machines that are doing something. It's the people in the office of voter registration that do their jobs accurately that get something done. It's not Michael Moore et al and their bootstomping camera entourage that DO anything. So that's what I'm trying to get across is that people with means and the public eye have the responsibility for doing more than flapping their gums, it's time that they walk the talk and fix the problem instead of just griping about it.
AlaninTX
Member
Reply with quote
Joined: 14 May 2002
Posts: 6582
Location: Austin, Texas
| Back to top
PostPosted: 10/29/04 - 10:38    Post subject:
Update on the missing ballots.......

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (Reuters) - Fears that thousands of absentee election ballots had gone astray in a hotly contested Florida county appear to have been allayed on Thursday when officials said a far small number were missing.

"The extent of the problem is not going to be as great as it appeared," Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes told a news conference, easing concerns of a resurgence of the kind of problems that dogged the 2000 election.

Officials in Broward said this week that nearly 60,000 absentee ballots mailed on Oct. 7 and 8 had not reached voters' homes.

But Snipes said that in fact of 128,000 absentee ballots mailed to voters who will not be able to vote in person next Tuesday, 72,000 had been filled in and sent back and the rest were coming in at a rate of 10,000 a day.

She said that instead of having to send out as many as 58,000 replacement ballots, the county would probably only have to resend 10,000 to 15,000.

"I think it was more of a delay than that the ballots were lost," Snipes said.

With the memories of the 2000 race and all signs pointing to a neck-and-neck race in many states this year, Democrats and Republicans have prepared teams of lawyers to fight their causes should there be disputes.

Reports that nearly 60,000 ballots were missing, representing more than 5 percent of the county's electorate -- alarmed voters, democracy activists and officials.

U.S. Postal Service investigators began hunting for the ballots, while insisting 58,000 pieces of mail do not simply go missing, and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement also launched a speedy investigation.

Snipes said the election authorities, inundated with phone calls from anxious voters who had not received their ballots, had contacted the Postal Service investigators "in an abundance of caution." She added that the Florida police had reported back that "no criminal activity was determined."

The Broward County elections office set up a hotline on Thursday for voters who wanted their absentee ballots to be mailed again, and had received 267 calls so far, she said.

The county is also calling out-of-state voters to see whether they had received their voting forms and would courier any replacement ballots needed.

In 2000 the race in Florida, on which the national contest ultimately depended, was so close it prompted five weeks of lawsuits, recounts and accusations of foul play.

President Bush (news - web sites) eventually won Florida's electoral votes and the White House when the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) halted the ballot recounts, angering Democrats who believe Democrat Al Gore (news - web sites) won the state's popular vote.

Broward County has Florida's second highest number of registered voters, behind only neighboring Miami-Dade County, and is one of the state's most heavily Democratic counties.
camelia bedelia
Member
Reply with quote
Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 2808
Location: God's Country
| Back to top
PostPosted: 10/29/04 - 11:19    Post subject:
AlaninTX wrote:
Update on the missing ballots.......


She said that instead of having to send out as many as 58,000 replacement ballots, the county would probably only have to resend 10,000 to 15,000.

"I think it was more of a delay than that the ballots were lost," Snipes said.


Well I hope it is just a delay and they can be found and counted in time, but 10,000 ballots is still a lot considering the last election came down to 500 votes.
kristin31
Member
Reply with quote
Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 8045
Location: Caught in the crossfire of childhood and stardom
| Back to top
PostPosted: 10/29/04 - 11:44    Post subject:
10,000 is still a LOT of ballots. That number could certainly decide an election.
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic All times are GMT - 4 Hours
Goto page Previous   1, 2

www.runningforums.com Forum Index -> On-Topic

Page 2 of 2

Related topics:
starting to get impatient
starting night work tonight guys who is with me
Starting my 'diet' today.
Post a word starting with 'de'
Starting off the Wisconsin race season.........
Starting tomorrow
Starting my own VH1 countdown
Starting 2nd session
starting HRM
starting to walk!
It's starting already.
Starting out too fast?
Forums starting to reappear on Coolrunning!!!
I'm starting to believe...
I'm starting to see some perks from living in a small town!
Starting on the road back (a race report)
Starting a Foundation...
Just Starting Running - Calf Muscle Tightness
New guy just starting and SORE...
I feel like starting a fight
I feel like starting a fire.
I feel like starting a .............
new sitcom starting next week...
I love going to the "Starting Line" forum...
Starting the Weekend Off Right Russian Style
Starting my Alaska fishing job, but still want to run!
I'm starting to the all these people here were born in barns
Just Starting Runnning Long Distances
starting to feel a little high maintenance
Starting over......what would you do?
I feel like starting a fight
I feel like starting trouble
Mod to the Starting Line
Starting tonight !!!!
Starting a small business
just starting to run... have a few questions
Just starting
School's starting
Starting my "vacation" tomorrow
starting training question and help
starting with running again after hysterectomy
Have idea of starting a running club
Dancing Dubya *FLASH GAME OF THE YEAR* (already..)
Who has had enough of winter already
Alright enough already
Mother's day for me is already taken care of.
lunchtime already!
Since we've already got a bungee jumping Jesus.......
Holiday wish list (already)
OMG! Fall Term Final Exam Schedule is Already Up!!!
It's FRIDAY!!!! Open the bar already......
I think I shared this one already??
New and improved already!
ALRIGHT ENOUGH PMs ALREADY! what have you learned THIS week
Laying the smack down already.
Somebody open the bar already!!!
and if I wasn't already moody......
In PA a week, and I'm already hauled in by the po po.
I already ate
Already getting tired of...
Already?!
Augh..Christmas already in Philly....
Enough with the cookies already, NOT!!!
3pm and they're out there already
Say something already!
Enough already. I'm calling off winter!
Is it possible I lost my new swim goggles ALREADY???
Okay, I get it already!
Stop buzzing already!!!
he lost 3 of me already
Great, it's started already...
I crapped twice this morning already if anybody is taking no
Since we are discussing it already.....
would you get dsl or cable already?
They're evacuating the Keys already
Already bored at work....
Will you already
Halloween already??
My avatar is already outdated!
has it already been discussed that
slipping in the polls already.......
How many Christmas plans do you have already?
enough with the eyes already
I miss JU already
I can't believe this wasn't discussed already.
Was this already discussed???
I've already
I already made dinner!
Fall Weather already
it's only 9:20 and I've already consumed 787 calories
If this has already been discussed, then just let me know...
grow up already!!
Pain behind knie after short rides already