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kristin31
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 Posted: 10/28/04 - 16:18 Post subject: It's starting already....
Not again!!! How can they manage to screw up after the last election?
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/10037722.htm
Posted on Thu, Oct. 28, 2004
Moore to protest missing ballots at Broward elections office
By WANDA J. DEMARZO
wdemarzo@herald.com
Michael Moore, the documentary film-maker who directed the anti-Bush movie Fahrenheit 9/11, is expected to deliver a protest speech outside the Broward County Supervisor of Elections office at 7 tonight.
Moore plans to discuss news reports that 58,000 absentee ballots are missing in Broward, according to his publicist, Terri Hardesty.
For months, both political parties and critics of the touch-screen machines used in Broward, Miami-Dade and 13 other counties have urged voters to use absentee ballots, which are on paper.
That led to a surge of absentee requests, topping more than 300,000 in Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties.
Broward's elections office, at 115 South Andrews Ave. in Fort Lauderdale, is resending absentee ballots to voters who say they asked for but still haven't received them.
The elections office is still trying to discover why so many people haven't received the absentee ballots.
But with so little time before Tuesday's election, officials will mail out replacements -- thousands of them -- today. The ballots will be shipped via overnight mail to people outside the county, Broward Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes said.
Moore, an Oscar-winning film-maker and number-one bestselling author, will surely bring more attention to Florida's pre-election voting woes.
He embarked on what he calls his ''Slacker Uprising Tour'' on Sept. 26 in Elk Rapids, Mi. The tour will visit 60 cities and 20 states in an effort to get millions of traditional non-voters to the polls on Nov. 2.
The tour will end on Election Day in Tallahassee, Florida.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 16:27 Post subject:
Moore has played his hand. He's got movies to sell now and the publicity of staging protests is the best advertising he can get. It wouldn't matter where or what kind of whispers there were of voter inregularities, he'll be there and be loud.
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kristin31
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 16:32 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | | Moore has played his hand. He's got movies to sell now and the publicity of staging protests is the best advertising he can get. It wouldn't matter where or what kind of whispers there were of voter inregularities, he'll be there and be loud. |
Oh, I know that about him, that's true. As much as I like his films, he's turned into the antithesis of what he started out to be.
I just can't believe they're screwing up already. 
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 16:32 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | | Moore has played his hand. He's got movies to sell now and the publicity of staging protests is the best advertising he can get. It wouldn't matter where or what kind of whispers there were of voter inregularities, he'll be there and be loud. |
58,000 missing ballots is quite a bit, wouldn't you say? We should ALL be protesting that.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 16:36 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | 58,000 missing ballots is quite a bit, wouldn't you say? We should ALL be protesting that. |
How about instead of protesting, he offer help? Maybe saddle up a few million for equipment. Or offer to donate budget money to counties that are having the problems. Or any number of ways a multi-millionaire can put his money where his mouth is.
I guess I'm tired of finger pointing. If he's really about wanting to correct some problems like this, he's finally got the means after his block-buster movie. It's time to get off the bullhorn and pull out the checkbook.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 16:39 Post subject:
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How about instead of protesting, he offer help? Maybe saddle up a few million for equipment. Or offer to donate budget money to counties that are having the problems. Or any number of ways a multi-millionaire can put his money where his mouth is.
I guess I'm tired of finger pointing. If he's really about wanting to correct some problems like this, he's finally got the means after his block-buster movie. It's time to get off the bullhorn and pull out the checkbook. |
Yes he could offer help, but no, I don't think he should pay to fix the Florida electoral problems. At least bringing attention to the problems will prevent it from being discreetly swept under the rug.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 16:43 Post subject:
Isn't the real issue here the fact that so many ballots are missing? I don't care who protests what....I want to know what happend to those ballots and how they plan to rectify the situation.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 16:44 Post subject:
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How about instead of protesting, he offer help? Maybe saddle up a few million for equipment. Or offer to donate budget money to counties that are having the problems. Or any number of ways a multi-millionaire can put his money where his mouth is.
I guess I'm tired of finger pointing. If he's really about wanting to correct some problems like this, he's finally got the means after his block-buster movie. It's time to get off the bullhorn and pull out the checkbook. |
Is money the problem? I think part of his outrage is that our tax dollars that should be plenty, are being bungled in three stooges manner. No matter how much money I had or how angry I was, I'm not sure I'd like to just throw more money at a system that obviously isn't working. By calling attention to the problem with use of a well-known name that will bring the media, maybe it will get fixed.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 16:46 Post subject:
| cherylpf wrote: | | Is money the problem? I think part of his outrage is that our tax dollars that should be plenty, are being bungled in three stooges manner. No matter how much money or how angry I was, I'm not sure I'd like to just throw more money at a system that obviously isn't working. By calling attention to the problem with use of a well-known name that will bring the media, maybe it will get fixed. |
 Especially because $150M was thrown at this mudrakingfest.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 16:46 Post subject:
| phillycat wrote: | | Isn't the real issue here the fact that so many ballots are missing? I don't care who protests what....I want to know what happend to those ballots and how they plan to rectify the situation. |
I think they were lost on the sending end, as in, the voters never got them. What's more, taxpayers are paying lots to repair this.
| Quote: | But with so little time before Tuesday's election, officials will mail out replacements -- thousands of them -- today. The ballots will be shipped via overnight mail to people outside the county, Broward Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes said.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 16:47 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | Yes he could offer help, but no, I don't think he should pay to fix the Florida electoral problems. At least bringing attention to the problems will prevent it from being discreetly swept under the rug. |
That kinda highlights my point. He won't even offer to help. This cements in my mind even further that he's there for his own name sake and selling movies.
Take for instance Bill Gates. He sees a problem with computer technology in one of the schools in the Seattle area. He doesn't stage a protest. He doesn't rally parents to demand the principal do something. No, he pulls out the checkbook and corrects the problem.
Now Michael Moore isn't in the same league as Bill Gates, but has pulled himself in to a league where he can start to do something more than gripe and bring attention to problems.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 16:54 Post subject:
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I think they were lost on the sending end, as in, the voters never got them. What's more, taxpayers are paying lots to repair this.
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All I can say is they better check and triple check the results to make sure these people really didn't get a ballot and he's just not trying to stuff the boxes by getting 58,000 more votes in duplicate.
I wouldn't trust that SOB as far as I could throw his fat carcass. Who's overseeing this effort? Who's matching up ballots that do come in to make sure they aren't being submitted twice?
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 16:55 Post subject:
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All I can say is they better check and triple check the results to make sure these people really didn't get a ballot and he's just not trying to stuff the boxes by getting 58,000 more votes in duplicate.
I wouldn't trust that SOB as far as I could throw his fat carcass. Who's overseeing this effort? Who's matching up ballots that do come in to make sure they aren't being submitted twice?
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kristin31
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 16:59 Post subject:
| genie wrote: |
All I can say is they better check and triple check the results to make sure these people really didn't get a ballot and he's just not trying to stuff the boxes by getting 58,000 more votes in duplicate.
I wouldn't trust that SOB as far as I could throw his fat carcass. Who's overseeing this effort? Who's matching up ballots that do come in to make sure they aren't being submitted twice?
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Michael Moore is not the one who discovered the error. It was voters calling in to the Board of Elections. And, as I last heard today on the news, the Republican Party is also investigating. Moore is only protesting, he's not the one who discovered the screw-up.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 17:03 Post subject:
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Michael Moore is not the one who discovered the error. It was voters calling in to the Board of Elections. And, as I last heard today on the news, the Republican Party is also investigating. Moore is only protesting, he's not the one who discovered the screw-up. |
Obviously he's not the one that discovered the screw up but he's going to make loud enough noises that someone actually mails out new ones, whether they actually need to be mailed out or not. More media crap to add to the pile. Like that boo-hoo hotline you're supposed to be able to call when your fraudulent ID gets turned down at the polls because "you" died five years ago and decided to drag your moldy corpse to the polls to vote just one more time.....  I am quite SURE Michael Moore wouldn't get involved if Kerry wasn't going to somehow benefit from this.....
I still want to know who in that already-proven-to-be-totally-incompetent system down there is monitoring this to make sure no one gets to submit more than one ballot. Does anyone know, is Broward County heavier one way or the other as far as favoring a party?
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