Is Violence Justified in this Case?! Please....
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 Posted: 07/02/03 - 19:30 Post subject:
anybody know where i can find a white flag waving smiley... y'know, the good ol' surrender one.
they should have one like that... i looked it up and oddly enough alls i found were gaypride things... the irony... 
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genie
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 19:50 Post subject:
This is prolly gonna stir a whole 'nother pot of poo, but I just said this to someone privately and I feel it needs to be said in the open as well. What upsets me more than anything is that this inflammatory statement comes from someone who calls himself, if memory serves me right, a Christian....a religion where the belief is that we are all God's children, and that our God is supposedly a loving and forgiving God....one who loves ALL His children, and some of whose members I have seen in the news on TV pleading to spare the lives of brutal murderers, yet who react with such intolerance for people who have different lifestyles than they do. How hypocritical is that? I realize there are many different religious groups that call themselves Christians, and that I am not the world's foremost authority on organized religion, because I don't buy into any of its dogma for reasons like this one.......there's a similar discussion going on in the CH with Ray Andrews about homosexual marriage and the Supreme Court's recent ruling which has many of the same principles.
This is all very sad and I just don't understand the need for any of it. 
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 20:57 Post subject:
When I first saw the post, I thought it was all a big joke, rather tounge in cheek, compliment fishing even. I was happy to jump in. After seeing the posters later comment, I realize I was mistaken.
I agree it is time to let this one die. I have a nephew who is gay. He is not a pervert, and I'm very proud of him. He would have been one of the first to get in on a good joke, but not on a debate. No ones mind is going to be changed, and IMHO, the only one who made an offensive remark, is the only one not posting.
I think it takes a lot of courage for Joe to admit he is uncomfortable with homosexuals, but he also acknowledges working on it. If we all examine our hearts, most of us carry a bias somewhere or to some degree.
I also admire Flarunner for taking such a strong stance. It's nice to see someone stand up for others. Just remember, we can't always see someone elses expressions or intent based on what they type.
Genie - there are Christians who will hide behind certain passages of the Bible to beat someone else up, then there are those who struggle with what they know is right. I don't think you'd judge all of us by a few, but hang around the CH long enough, and you may develop one of those biases towards us Christians. (that was not a reference to Ray Andrews, just how nuts that forum can get with politics/religion)
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genie
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 21:11 Post subject:
You're right kattz....I wouldn't judge you all by a few, and you're right about the CH...they get like that, and normally I agree with little of the tone over there. I guess my main point was that a lot of the anti-gay people I have encountered are coming from a religious/Biblical point, because they were taught that it is wrong, but that's not everyone's belief and I think what I was illustrating by saying that is not a slam against Christians, but more a criticism of the hypocrisy of a religion that says and teaches "we are all God's children and He loves us equally, well...except for this group...and that group...oh, and of course those people over there....." That's why you will never see my butt in church on Sunday.
Either we are or we aren't "all God's children." I guess that was my point. In my admittedly limited personal opinion, we are, and we all deserve to be treated that way. I greatly admire Fla for taking a stand on this issue, and I do agree that it took Joe a lot of guts to admit his discomfort, and respect him for working on it.
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 08:44 Post subject:
It took me a very long time to respond to this at a civil level. That said, I don't know if I am there yet. The one thing I will say is: Aren't you excluding yourself from meeting many beautiful people, broadening you circle of friends, and your mindset by not allowing yourself to accept someone based on their sexual orientation? It brings to mind the experiment back in the 50's where the teacher made all of the blue-eyed children the pariahs for the morning, and the brown-eyed children the social outcasts for the afternoon? It's about as silly. 
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 10:13 Post subject:
I think this issue is less about Bret's comment, at this point, than about the standard we adhere to here. We want to be different than Over There because Over There descends to a level that we see an uncivil and not fun. (If we wanted to not have fun, we could all get back to work.) But we need some guidance here. This is about the pervasiveness of off-color humor being acceptable or not. My sense is that we, as a group, think it's not acceptable. If that's the case, then we need to keep those thoughts to ourselves. What say the rest of ye?
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 10:14 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | I think this issue is less about Bret's comment, at this point, than about the standard we adhere to here. We want to be different than Over There because Over There descends to a level that we see an uncivil and not fun. (If we wanted to not have fun, we could all get back to work.) But we need some guidance here. This is about the pervasiveness of off-color humor being acceptable or not. My sense is that we, as a group, think it's not acceptable. If that's the case, then we need to keep those thoughts to ourselves. What say the rest of ye? |
 Well said, G3
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 10:49 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | Now might be a good time to have this thread  |
We all come here for the wacky hijinx and nutty shenanigans so it's always a bit of a shock when posts like these erupt. But that's life. Life isn't always full of puppy dogs, bubbles and David Hasselhoff, people!
While I NEVER want to see anything offensive here in this forum, I'm not about to lock or delete a thread because it gets too serious. Sometimes, believe it or not, good things do come out of cyber-spats like these, and to lock a thread IMMEDIATELY just doesn't seem like the right thing to do here.
Now if my momma would somehow stumble into this conversation I'll ban ALL of yo asses!
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 11:30 Post subject:
And truly, I don't see it as spatting, but more a respectable dialogue, after one very inflammatory comment, about just what Gogirl said, what's the standard for what we as a community are willing to accept? I feel that generally we as a group have a higher level of class when these discussions/disagreements do occasionally appear, and I think we are normally able to handle them like adults and maybe even learn from them. I don't at all like the fact that one of our own had to be hurt in the process, but unfortunately sometimes life's lessons are like that. It's all fun and games til someone loses an eye...and only then do you realize the game is flawed.
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 11:47 Post subject:
I posted early on in this, and wow, what it's become! I just quickly glanced through the last couple of pages, and find it ironic that I had a post locked within ten minutes because it was prochoice, but this "gays bad" thread can stay open. Guess that's more politically correct.
And yes, for the record, that was me showing INCREDIBLE restraint.
But I do agree with shelfie's non-censuring attitude. We need a little more diversity over here.
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 11:51 Post subject:
| elkid wrote: | | But I do agree with shelfie's non-censuring attitude. We need a little more diversity over here. |
Amen.
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 11:56 Post subject:
Do you guys mean censoring, censuring is like a buttslap for comments made. He has not done that either.
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 11:59 Post subject:
| elkid wrote: | I posted early on in this, and wow, what it's become! I just quickly glanced through the last couple of pages, and find it ironic that I had a post locked within ten minutes because it was prochoice, but this "gays bad" thread can stay open. Guess that's more politically correct.
And yes, for the record, that was me showing INCREDIBLE restraint.
But I do agree with shelfie's non-censuring attitude. We need a little more diversity over here. |
We're evolving, elkiddio...gettin smarter every day!
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 12:16 Post subject:
| shelflifers wrote: | | We're evolving, elkiddio...gettin smarter every day! |
Except for the topic of pro choice/pro life. That will still get locked.
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Posted: 07/03/03 - 12:23 Post subject:
| purple hayes wrote: | | shelflifers wrote: | | We're evolving, elkiddio...gettin smarter every day! |
Except for the topic of pro choice/pro life. That will still get locked. |
What other topics are off limits?
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