Is Violence Justified in this Case?! Please....
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camelia bedelia
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 Posted: 07/02/03 - 18:40 Post subject:
[quote="brethelm]
It's because gays are perverts. If they want to be gay all by themselves, then by all means they can go ahead. Now, when they invade my space it's another story. If I had gotten cat-called by women, I wouldn't have minded and I wouldn't have said anything about it.[/quote]
Are you sure you are not Brutal? That is one of the most overtly bigoted things I have read in a while. And believe me, that is saying a lot.
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 18:40 Post subject:
| flarunner wrote: | | rtpd113 wrote: | though I differ in my politics against some of the people in this thread, I am offended when people group me in a class/group are the same people that get upset when they are grouped in a statement by others.
Call individuals on the carpet for their actions, not groups of people especially 140 million people in this country which is approximately the population of U.S. men. |
OK Joe. I'm offended by your homophobic attitude as expressed by numerous negative comments about gays on this forum |
That is fine that you are offended. At least you know where I stand. I am against homosexuality period. This is not a reflection on you or any homosexuals. I also do not like people who smoke, abuse alcohol and or drugs, beat their wives abuse children, steal from old ladies and bullies.
We can get along and still disagree as well. I may not like the behavior but can still like the person. I do as a matter of fact admire you Mindy for you are a strong intelligent woman and a woman of princples. We just disagree on certain principles and that is okay that is why the U.S. is a great country because people have disagreed. No one including me as a corner on right and wrong. I just believe something different than you and that is okay as long as it does not get personal or nasty.
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 18:43 Post subject:
| rtpd113 wrote: | | flarunner wrote: | | rtpd113 wrote: | though I differ in my politics against some of the people in this thread, I am offended when people group me in a class/group are the same people that get upset when they are grouped in a statement by others.
Call individuals on the carpet for their actions, not groups of people especially 140 million people in this country which is approximately the population of U.S. men. |
OK Joe. I'm offended by your homophobic attitude as expressed by numerous negative comments about gays on this forum |
That is fine that you are offended. At least you know where I stand. I am against homosexuality period. This is not a reflection on you or any homosexuals. I also do not like people who smoke, abuse alcohol and or drugs, beat their wives abuse children, steal from old ladies and bullies.
We can get along and still disagree as well. I may not like the behavior but can still like the person. I do as a matter of fact admire you Mindy for you are a strong intelligent woman and a woman of princples. We just disagree on certain principles and that is okay that is why the U.S. is a great country because people have disagreed. No one including me as a corner on right and wrong. I just believe something different than you and that is okay as long as it does not get personal or nasty. |
How can you say that is not a reflection of homosexuals when you equate their life with abusive husbands, junkies and thieves?
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 18:47 Post subject:
| flarunner wrote: | | rtpd113 wrote: | I also think when Greg was referring to "dem guys" he was referring to them as punk cowards. I think it had nothing to do with their sexual orientation.
People who hoot and holler like that when confronted often back down. That is what I believe he meant. |
Then please explain exactly what the phrase "dem guys weren't guys though" means, when taken in context with the terms "f****t" and "limp wristed" from the first post in this thread. |
I was not including what the original thought the Bret said was. I was saying about the group as a whole in their behavior as a group not their appearance or what Bret referred to them as. The could've been a group of outlaw bikers and said the same thing and they still would've been cowards. It is the mentallity of people in groups all of the sudden being real "bad" but when confronted are cowards. That is all I meant.
Heck there are police officers I know personally that do not get "bad" until they have guys to back them up. They are cowards too.
My defense of Greg's comment had nothing to do with the dudes appearance.
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 18:52 Post subject:
Now might be a good time to have this thread 
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 18:53 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: |
How can you say that is not a reflection of homosexuals when you equate their life with abusive husbands, junkies and thieves? |
I was not equating them to the latter groups.
I was just saying other people I do not like those other behaviors. They also offend me, yet to some people they are okay.
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 18:55 Post subject:
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 18:59 Post subject:
it's like this:
"it's good to be loved by all"
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 19:03 Post subject:
| rtpd113 wrote: | | camelia bedelia wrote: |
How can you say that is not a reflection of homosexuals when you equate their life with abusive husbands, junkies and thieves? |
I was not equating them to the latter groups.
I was just saying other people I do not like those other behaviors. They also offend me, yet to some people they are okay. |
Now Joe, you have to admit, 99% of the population are going to see stealing, abuse and chronic drug use as a negative. They are also behaviors that will negatively impact others. I think linking your dislike of homosexuality with those behaviors does reflect on gays.
Cappy - what is so wrong with a discussion about something other than poop coffee?
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 19:10 Post subject:
My last post in this thread...
Joe, the comment "dem guys weren't guys though" is not a nice statement. Period. The terms "faggot" and "limp wristed" are not nice terms. Period. No amount of rationalization will ever make them nice, proper, acceptable, etc.
I understand and appreciate your rights to have your opinions. And I appreciate that I probably will not agree with anyone on most anything. I just don't appreciate the attitude that making "funny", "sarcastic", "joking" comments about gays is acceptable.
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 19:13 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | Now Joe, you have to admit, 99% of the population are going to see stealing, abuse and chronic drug use as a negative. They are also behaviors that will negatively impact others. I think linking your dislike of homosexuality with those behaviors does reflect on gays.
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Because I am uncomfortable around them is something I am working on. As a matter of fact two members of our department are gay. I am uncomfortable around them but have an excellent working relationship with them.
What is wrong with me being uncomfortable?
You Amy would likely be very uncomfortable at the Republican National Convention but you would probably be okay. People there have much different views than you on numerous issues.
We have different views on homosexuality, period. We also have different views on Religon. I am a Conservative Baptist, yet you are not, I know you would be very uncomfortable in our church and would likely never attend. You disagree with many of our beliefs but I do not call you Baptistphobic. I understand and move on.
Certain behaviors really bother me. Homosexuality happens to be one of them. Call me homophobic if you want , that is okay but I am not.
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 19:14 Post subject:
i second the motion 
ps. howabout "bapitistophobic" ... that's a great word.
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 19:17 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: |
Cappy - what is so wrong with a discussion about something other than poop coffee? |
When the topic is offensive some of the members I think the discussion should cease, or be taken private. Its obvious to me that the discussion is going to be a stale mate. Why keep beating a dead horse. The horse is DOA.
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 19:20 Post subject:
| flarunner wrote: | | I just don't appreciate the attitude that making "funny", "sarcastic", "joking" comments about gays is acceptable. |
true as long as it is applied consistently. Some things are off limits and maybe this is one of them.
Some people in the more "PC" crowd are offended at everything. I am NOT calling you PC, I am making a point. Yet when they make fun of people it is always "taken out of context." We need to be able to discern what is joke and what is a statement.
I am sorry for your being so offended about this whole issue and appreciate you being so willing to debate it.
I am officially done with this issue as well.
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Posted: 07/02/03 - 19:23 Post subject:
| brethelm wrote: | | Gogirlgo wrote: | Is this about that you were in a situation that caught you by surprise or that you don't like gay people, which these people may or may not have been, or that you don't like being the butt (npi) of other people's jokes? I'm having a hard time deciding.
In any case, there's no cause for violence ever, certainly not on a matter as trivial as this one. Drop it and move on. |
It's because gays are perverts. If they want to be gay all by themselves, then by all means they can go ahead. Now, when they invade my space it's another story. If I had gotten cat-called by women, I wouldn't have minded and I wouldn't have said anything about it. |
Sorry, Bret, I have a lot of respect for much of what you say, but that comment was WAY WAY out of line. Everyone's entitled to agree or not agree with or adopt someone else's lifestyle but to make a nasty comment like that is just bigoted, IMHO. Why would you say a woman catcalling you would be any less of a pervert? I get really annoyed when men do it to me, I'm not a f-ing piece of meat, thank you! It has nothing to do with whether they're straight or not. It's rude no matter who does it, so how does a woman doing it to you make it any less right?
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