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akern
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 Posted: 02/11/03 - 17:46 Post subject:
Why in the world do these people support this guy? 
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airehead
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Posted: 02/11/03 - 17:54 Post subject:
| akern wrote: | | Why in the world do these people support this guy? |
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Posted: 02/11/03 - 17:58 Post subject:
Because they're closet communists and they hate America. I say fine, then MOVE!
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Posted: 02/11/03 - 18:00 Post subject:
| akern wrote: | | Why in the world do these people support this guy? |
Those people more are anti death pentalty than pro Mumia. He is just a very outspoken member of the "media" and they are kind of protecting their own so to speak. Most of them if called on it really do not care about him, they do not know much about the case. Mumia is just a well known death row convict. It is more against the death pentalty then freeing Mumia.
The best thing that could happen to Mumia is getting released because he would not live very long. Daniel Faulkner (the PO PO who was killed) has many non police supporters and some of them are very clear as what they would do if Mumia ever got released.
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Posted: 02/11/03 - 18:02 Post subject:
Mumia has never stated that he didn't do it. He confessed. He was convicted he should be but will not be executed. He has lost every appeal.
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Posted: 02/11/03 - 18:06 Post subject:
| rtpd113 wrote: | | akern wrote: | | Why in the world do these people support this guy? |
Those people more are anti death pentalty than pro Mumia. He is just a very outspoken member of the "media" and they are kind of protecting their own so to speak. Most of them if called on it really do not care about him, they do not know much about the case. Mumia is just a well known death row convict. It is more against the death pentalty then freeing Mumia.
The best thing that could happen to Mumia is getting released because he would not live very long. Daniel Faulkner (the PO PO who was killed) has many non police supporters and some of them are very clear as what they would do if Mumia ever got released. |
But that is what is so ridiculous about the anti death penalty stance. Half of them have no clue of the henious crimes that people on death row have committed. You don't get there for robbing a convenience store, you know!  And I still challenge any of them to maintain that stance if their loved ones were the victims. I'd love to see anyone admit that they would rather support, feed and house one of those scum if they had killed their family (by tax dollars and life in prison) than see them executed for their crimes.
The majority of criminals of that caliber are not rehabilitatible, so why keep them fed, clothed and housed? It's true that one death doesn't "even the score" and it won't bring the victims back, but why should these people get the option of living that they took away from the victims? The anti-death penalty people tell the other side not to play God, but isn't that what YOU do when you murder someone? Food for thought at best.......
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Posted: 02/11/03 - 18:13 Post subject:
How long has he been on death row? Get rid of him already!!
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Posted: 02/11/03 - 18:29 Post subject:
| akern wrote: | | How long has he been on death row? Get rid of him already!! |
Since 1982
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Posted: 02/12/03 - 11:12 Post subject:
I think the issue surrounding what people find intriguing, if that's the right word, about MAJ is that it's an example of how the system isn't evenly applied, how darker people get more of a screw than lighter people. And even people who believe fervently in the system can admit there's racial bias in it.
As I said before, I'm no supporter of MAJ. At a lot of the rallies and stuff I attend, there are always fliers about how to help him that I never take. Personally I wish that MAJ hadn't got all this media attention b/c it makes him larger than the crime he supposedly committed. But I have to say that I don't think everyone who supports him believes in his innocence. I think they support working on the injustice that's almost inherent in the justice system.
I would much rather see a criminal get sentenced to life with no chance of parole than the death penalty based on my ethics but also based on economics. It costs roughly $30,000 a year a prisoner to keep someone housed and fed. It costs exponentially more to keep someone on death row with unlimited appeal. Let's stop wasting tax dollars. Use DNA testing all over the place and get these people placed in prison for good or back out in the sunshine if they didn't do it.
My ethics of it are not that I can't feel for the victims. Of course I can. It's that I think it's wrong for the state to kill in order for it to show that it's wrong to kill. And the flip side ethics (which paradoxically make the same point) are that death is too good for some people and slowly rotting in prison is a much better punishment. Is there anyone here who doesn't believe Timothy McVeigh got off easy?
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Posted: 02/12/03 - 13:19 Post subject:
All due respect Go, he shot a cop 3 times, the last time standing over him and shooting Faulkner point blank in the face. MAJ gave up any right to live, after that. Every breath he takes since then is one more than he should have.
One way for cold blooded killers to never kill again is to put them 6 feet under.
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Posted: 02/12/03 - 13:39 Post subject:
Right. I totally understand how you're thinking on the matter and you know I respect your view. I was just trying to explain what others find interesting about this case. It isn't all about his innocence.
I mean, DNA evidence that disproves the cases of some people on death row is a very disturbing thing. It means that even if one buys into the rationale behind the death penalty, one has to work real hard to be fair about how the rule is applied.
Regarding Mr. A-J, I'm not sure there's any available DNA, is there? Also what's interesting is if you do a search on his name in Dow Jones, an international source I use to get articles, there are only three articles through 1990. In the years from 1990 to 1995, another 630 articles were written. Makes one wonder what happened in the nine years from when the crime happened to when it got popular. The man had been on death row for 8 years by then.
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Posted: 02/12/03 - 14:46 Post subject:
Greg I thought it was 5 time and the last one in the face.
MAJ was shot by Faulkner before Faulkner died too.
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