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keltic63
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 Posted: 05/14/03 - 10:25 Post subject: I am bothered by this too
I wasn't going to post this after my innocent posting of Monday morning. But now that you've gone and turned it into one of the longest threads we've ever had, I'm going to post this one too.
Yesterday, our students were off school while the teachers came for inservice programs. The morning session was CPR training and it was quite a joke as all we really did was watch a video. After the video we had the opportunity to practice on a mannequin or observe someone else doing it.
Here's what bothered me: There were 4 people responsible for our training, 3 of which were grossly overweight. They proceeded to lecture us on the fact that many of us were overweight and candidates for heart attack or stroke.
side bar: at the race I ran last saturday, the medics stood by the ambulance smoking 
fight, errr, talk amongst yourselves
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Posted: 05/14/03 - 10:28 Post subject:
I really didn't want to look at this post but I couldn't help myself. Keltic you better watch yourself of PH will start to lock your posts.
Boston is now smoke free in all bars and restaurants.
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cherylpf
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Posted: 05/14/03 - 10:28 Post subject:
You observed people practicing CPR on mannequins?! I'm not only bothered, I'm outraged!!!  
but the real debate is, did they tell you which way they hang their toilet paper?
sorry, I'm too tired this morning to debate.
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 05/14/03 - 10:29 Post subject: Re: I am bothered by this too
| keltic63 wrote: |
Here's what bothered me: There were 4 people responsible for our training, 3 of which were grossly overweight. They proceeded to lecture us on the fact that many of us were overweight and candidates for heart attack or stroke.
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Well at last they are lecturing from what they know.
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cherylpf
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Posted: 05/14/03 - 10:29 Post subject:
| Dancer wrote: | | Boston is now smoke free in all bars and restaurants. |
I want that here! I would be able to breathe!! but be ware, even this is a controversial topic around here....
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keltic63
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Posted: 05/14/03 - 10:41 Post subject:
| Dancer wrote: | I really didn't want to look at this post but I couldn't help myself. Keltic you better watch yourself of PH will start to lock your posts.
Boston is now smoke free in all bars and restaurants. |
tburt's "kill 'em til they're dead" posts never get locked.......
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Posted: 05/14/03 - 10:42 Post subject:
gee, on the same note Keltic, i have recently spent a good amount of time in medical facilities having diagnostic testing done - mammograms, ultrasounds, bone density, etc.....
i could not believe the number of obese health care workers - drawing blood, scanning bones, barely waddling thru doors and down halls; chins that go from their chests to their bottom lip...
as you can see, i was doing alot of waiting and observing.
oh well. 
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Posted: 05/14/03 - 10:47 Post subject:
| rolling rock wrote: | gee, on the same note Keltic, i have recently spent a good amount of time in medical facilities having diagnostic testing done - mammograms, ultrasounds, bone density, etc.....
i could not believe the number of obese health care workers - drawing blood, scanning bones, barely waddling thru doors and down halls; chins that go from their chests to their bottom lip...
as you can see, i was doing alot of waiting and observing.
oh well. |
I've noticed the same on the few occasions I've been to a hospital. One of my running routes in the early morning goes by a local hospital and it's amazing the number of employees that are outside in the smoke break area.
Another thing I've noticed is that it seems like a high number of nurses that work the Red Cross blood donation drives are smokers. A lot of them on smoke breaks when I give blood.
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Posted: 05/14/03 - 10:50 Post subject:
| cherylpf wrote: | | You observed people practicing CPR on mannequins?! I'm not only bothered, I'm outraged!!! |
I'd have yelled "Hey you dummies, there's no use trying to get a pulse back in that mannequin! It's not hUmAn!!"
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omega lambda
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Posted: 05/14/03 - 11:04 Post subject:
I don't know if I'm outraged or not. Keltic, was your CPR training for any kind of certificate? Are you supposed to be able to administer CPR after said training? Or was this CPR Awareness training?
Camelia, I have a question for you. Anyone else in a medical field with knowledge about this, feel free to reply as well. Do doctors take a hard line with their patients regarding weight loss? And what are the patients' reactions if/when they do? Same questions with smoking?
California has had smoking bans in place for a long time. I can't even remember how long it has been. That is one of my biggest gripes when I leave the state. I forget that it is a state issue and when blasted by cigarette smoke in another state, I'm reminded of how awful it was to go out and do anything in public; work, eat in restaurants, dance in a club, go to a baseball game, etc. etc.
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 05/14/03 - 11:12 Post subject:
| omega lambda wrote: | | Camelia, I have a question for you. Anyone else in a medical field with knowledge about this, feel free to reply as well. Do doctors take a hard line with their patients regarding weight loss? And what are the patients' reactions if/when they do? Same questions with smoking? |
I think it depends on the doctor and the specific patient. In the pediatric clinic I work in we see the whole spectrum from malnourished to obese. We have nutritionists who work with the families of obese patients, counseling them on food choices, exercise program, etc. How forceful they might be in their recommendations depends on the patients circumstances, the relationship with the family, family resources, etc. I know there have been cases where neglect charges have been filed when a judgment has been made that the family is capable of following up on recommendations but has chosen not to. This isn’t typical, however.
For adults, all medical personnel can do is make the recommendations at a level that can be understood by the patient. The patient can choose to follow them or not.
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Posted: 05/14/03 - 11:25 Post subject:
| omega lambda wrote: | | I don't know if I'm outraged or not. Keltic, was your CPR training for any kind of certificate? Are you supposed to be able to administer CPR after said training? Or was this CPR Awareness training? |
we were certified in a similar manner 2 years ago. I destroyed my card because I felt we did not meet the requirements for certification. We did not put in the required time, we did not do the workbook, we did not practice on the dummies, but hundreds of us walked out of there with CPR Cert Cards. It's more of a game that our distict plays. Because of that half-@ssed training we did, they are able to claim that "all of our teachers and staff are CPR certified." They do this in other areas too: We are "Technologically Advanced" because we have computers in all the classrooms. There's no mention of the fact that many of the comps are outdated, some of the new comps have no Operating Systems. We don't have software licenses for many of the programs that we need. I have had software that accompanies my music curriculum for the past 4 years, but the Tech team hasn't installed it on my computer (and I'm not "allowed" to install software.) If it were installed, I have only 1 computer in my classroom, and anywhere from 20-30 kids per class. If it could be installed in the computer lab I could use it, but the lab is scheduled solidly everyday. So we have some great stuff that looks good on paper, but we don't apply those things very well in this district.
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omega lambda
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Posted: 05/14/03 - 11:44 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: |
I think it depends on the doctor and the specific patient. In the pediatric clinic I work in we see the whole spectrum from malnourished to obese. We have nutritionists who work with the families of obese patients, counseling them on food choices, exercise program, etc. How forceful they might be in their recommendations depends on the patients circumstances, the relationship with the family, family resources, etc. I know there have been cases where neglect charges have been filed when a judgment has been made that the family is capable of following up on recommendations but has chosen not to. This isn’t typical, however.
For adults, all medical personnel can do is make the recommendations at a level that can be understood by the patient. The patient can choose to follow them or not. |
Thanks, Camelia. You answered the way I thought you would, but I didn't want to assume too much. One other question though, with obesity, how many patients are referred to a psychiatrist/psychologist? As you stated somewhere else, we do a lot more for people with anorexia and bulimia, but not obesity. Any why not? Does the medical profession not view obesity as an eating disorder?
In my personal experience, it is the same. The doctors recommend, but can't force anyone to do anything. The patient chooses to follow doctor's orders or not. I like the idea that neglect charges can be filed,because this puts the responsibility where it belongs. In this thread, and the other longer one, my point is that (except for children) people choose and I don't want to be legislated because some people make poor choices. And this applies to a lot of things, not just obesity.
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omega lambda
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Posted: 05/14/03 - 11:46 Post subject:
| keltic63 wrote: |
I destroyed my card because I felt we did not meet the requirements for certification. We did not put in the required time, we did not do the workbook, we did not practice on the dummies, but hundreds of us walked out of there with CPR Cert Cards. |
Good for you, and shame on them! I'm outraged now.
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Posted: 05/14/03 - 11:51 Post subject:
| omega lambda wrote: | | In my personal experience, it is the same. The doctors recommend, but can't force anyone to do anything. The patient chooses to follow doctor's orders or not. I like the idea that neglect charges can be filed,because this puts the responsibility where it belongs. In this thread, and the other longer one, my point is that (except for children) people choose and I don't want to be legislated because some people make poor choices. And this applies to a lot of things, not just obesity. |
but what do we do when those choices put a burden on society? for instance, the smoker who has no health insurance may develop lung cancer and have medical care paid for by the gov't. If we are paying through the gov't. do we not have the right to request that those kinds of choices be curbed by the gov't? (and certainly, the extreme taxes imposed by some states are part of that)
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