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kristin31
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 Posted: 03/01/04 - 20:22 Post subject:
| omega lambda wrote: | | msparks wrote: | Being a dude and everything, I'm not sure that it's proper for me to comment on "racks" or "hoochie mamaness," as far as it pertains to being hired. This could be one of those "girls only" threads and I don't know if I should intrude.
I mean, there have been posts from the past wherein a woman has found it, er, uncool, for a man to stare at her chest. But if it enables one an opportunity for advancement/being hired, I guess it doens't matter quite so much?
What? Women are not all the same? If you were told that your "rack" or "hoochie mamaness" was responsible for your being hired/promoted, would you be offended and refuse?
(I don't know why I've done this...I'd better employ the "duck and run" defense...and maybe take Bluto's advise and start drinking heavily.) |
Hipocrasy is for the little people. Those of us who've got it really should flaunt it and use it, because if we don't take advantage of it, the next person will anyway. Don't get caught buying the advantage though, because then you're shallow and insecure and highly overrated.
Just knowing you got your job because of your rack is okay. As long as the woman gets what she wants, discrimination, harassment, or favoritism is okay. If the woman doesn't get what she wants, well, that would be the time to make a stink, maybe file suit or press charges. I mean, it's only wrong if it hurts me, right? |
OL, as per usual, knows the scoop. I think I have just adopted you as surrogate big sis (if it's OK with you.  ).
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Posted: 03/01/04 - 21:32 Post subject:
| genie wrote: | | omega lambda wrote: | | Just knowing you got your job because of your rack is okay. As long as the woman gets what she wants, discrimination, harassment, or favoritism is okay. If the woman doesn't get what she wants, well, that would be the time to make a stink, maybe file suit or press charges. I mean, it's only wrong if it hurts me, right? |
Very well said, OL. RX, I'm demoting you to second smartest person on the planet.  |
It certainly seems as if someone has been practicing their sarcasm!
And poor Runner X, whose star had shone so brightly, so briefly, has gone supernova. 
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Posted: 03/01/04 - 21:34 Post subject:
| genie wrote: | | omega lambda wrote: | | Just knowing you got your job because of your rack is okay. As long as the woman gets what she wants, discrimination, harassment, or favoritism is okay. If the woman doesn't get what she wants, well, that would be the time to make a stink, maybe file suit or press charges. I mean, it's only wrong if it hurts me, right? |
Very well said, OL. RX, I'm demoting you to second smartest person on the planet. |
It certainly seems as if someone has been practicing their sarcasm!
And poor Runner X, whose star had shone so brightly, so briefly, has gone supernova.
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elkid
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Posted: 03/01/04 - 21:58 Post subject:
| omega lambda wrote: | Hipocrasy is for the little people. Those of us who've got it really should flaunt it and use it, because if we don't take advantage of it, the next person will anyway. Don't get caught buying the advantage though, because then you're shallow and insecure and highly overrated.
Just knowing you got your job because of your rack is okay. As long as the woman gets what she wants, discrimination, harassment, or favoritism is okay. If the woman doesn't get what she wants, well, that would be the time to make a stink, maybe file suit or press charges. I mean, it's only wrong if it hurts me, right? |
 I didn't say I preferred it that way, but at the time, I was just happy to have a job so I could feed me and my husband and put a roof over our heads. There are very few women I've seen, at any level in a corporation, who don't use things to their advantage in various situations. This applies to physical attributes, friendships with higher ups, and yes, "feminine wiles". Was I offended at the time? Yes. Was there anything I could do about it? No.
ULtimately I don't feel I was harassed, discriminated against, or favored. I also didn't ask for it. I think most of the harassment cases today are bullsh!t, and really dilute the true ones. The corporate environment is very different today than it was at that time, over ten years ago. But to say that women don't "work it" today is naive. Just look at how female corporate attire has changed (I'm speaking outside of the labcoat world of course). Additionally, you can certainly get further with kindness and a smile than without. They don't call it "playing the game" for nothing. I'm not saying that it's right; I'm saying it's a sad fact of corporate life.
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elkid
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Posted: 03/01/04 - 22:09 Post subject:
| kristin31 wrote: | | Elkid, thanks for being so complimentary. I am not trying to be bitchy or whiny; I've just been thrown a lot of loops, mostly since I've moved here due to this issue . I agree that having a nice rack can get you in t the door, but ultimately in life it is brains that will keep you in the house. |
You weren't coming off that way! And that last bit, contrary to others' beliefs, is exactly what I was saying.
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Posted: 03/01/04 - 22:54 Post subject:
i like pretty girls.
but to me there's a difference between a pretty girl i actually wanna be with and care about, and someone like paris hilton who's supposedly hot, but an air head.
i wouldn't not talk to someone if i didn't think they were attractive. if there's a conversation to be had, why not?
on a side note: some people like art. i like girls. it's what i *do*. 
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Posted: 03/02/04 - 00:24 Post subject:
Interesting subject. Timely, too, since my best friend and I were discussing this over dinner last night (and neither one of us is exactly in Brad Pitt territory ourselves).
One of my earliest experiences was in college, when my roomate was a 6-foot, blonde, blue-eyed, Aryan type. The treatment he got anytime we went out in public never ceased to amaze me.
Then, I spent years in the employ of a corporation with a "no average looking women" policy - it was common knowledge among the temp agencies. Qualifcations were secondary, especially for any position that dealt with the senior execs of the company on a regular basis.
But, over the years, I've learned that good looks can indeed be a double-edged sword, and that they aren't the be-all and end-all that I once thought them to be. As elkid points out, physical attractiveness does give you a leg up in a lot of situations, but I've been surprised more than once to find that someone I thought was a knockout had self-esteem issues, and was, in truth, desperately unhappy. I've also known plenty of attractive people who I thought were reprehensible human beings.
Looks are nice, but they aren't the only thing, by any means.
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Posted: 03/02/04 - 01:00 Post subject:
| Zatoichi wrote: |
Looks are nice, but they aren't the only thing, by any means. |
ps. this is a good topic - the women in the workplace. i haven't figured out what to say about it yet. 
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kristin31
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Posted: 03/02/04 - 07:01 Post subject:
| blue wrote: | | Zatoichi wrote: |
Looks are nice, but they aren't the only thing, by any means. |
ps. this is a good topic - the women in the workplace. i haven't figured out what to say about it yet. |
I can talk more about this later. As someone who spent nearly 10 years in corporate America, with increasing positions of responsibility, I'd really like to think it was due to brains and not looks.
I've gotten really jaded from living down here. It's not like the rest of the US, or even the rest of Florida. If you lived here, you'd know what I mean. People think it's paradise; it's a piranhha pit in reality. It's not what we thought it was coming into it. Although both of us should have known better, anything that sounds too good to be true, is. Period.
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