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Ms. Jenn
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 Posted: 11/10/05 - 02:53 Post subject: House GOP makes concession on Arctic drilling
I have got to start paying closer attention to the news
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9984545/
How did Alaska drilling not make it as a main headline story until now? Edit: I can't believe I've missed it. I'm so lame 
This is NOT a republican/democrat bashing thread. This is about drilling for oil in Alaska and coastal drilling mentioned in the article.
I'm against drilling for oil in Alaska. The pipeline has caused enough environmental damage over the years. We don't need to screw it up anymore.
Yes, fossil fuels are quickly dwindling. Americans are the worst at wasting them, myself included. However, there are plenty of scientists in the world making headway in alternate fueling options. Some of them are catching on. I say as a global unit we deal with the oil prices/gasoline prices until more alternate fuel options are readily available and affordable and save our environment from being anymore screwed up than it is.
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wanttorun100
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Posted: 11/10/05 - 07:29 Post subject:
occurs to me the moose and caribou will move out of the way before the drilling starts
seriously the area they'll drill in is so small compared to the toal area it won't make a pimple on the ass of an elephant's difference in the area.
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sonnylax
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Posted: 11/10/05 - 07:54 Post subject: Re: House GOP makes concession on Arctic drilling
| Ms. Jenn wrote: | | I'm against drilling for oil in Alaska. |
We need to keep all energy options, including drilling in Alaska/Florida on the table to lessen our overall dependance on Middle East Oil. There is no need to pigeon-hole further.
Me thinks when gasoline is $10 a gallon, you won't be opposed for drilling oil domestically.
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copteacher
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Posted: 11/10/05 - 08:25 Post subject:
Drill away, explore other energy options as well. The price of oil is not just US driven. China and India consume a good bit of oil too.
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AlaninTX
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Posted: 11/10/05 - 08:26 Post subject:
Best estimates are there is something like one years worth of oil for the US in the ANWR. That may sound like a lot of oil, but it really isn't. So, one years worth of oil for what? I can't say I am up to speed on the environmental impact of opening up ANWR for drilling, but from what I have read there are some significant risks.
And at $10/gal oil, we can drill all we want anywhere we want and it won't any difference. The world economy will already be shattered and we will be fighting one another for bicycle intertube patches.
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sonnylax
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Posted: 11/10/05 - 08:27 Post subject:
| AlaninTX wrote: | | Best estimates are there is something like one years worth of oil for the US in the ANWR. |
Where did you catch that Alan?
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MechEngDropout
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Posted: 11/10/05 - 09:00 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: | | AlaninTX wrote: | | Best estimates are there is something like one years worth of oil for the US in the ANWR. |
Where did you catch that Alan? |
It's a common figure. Here a CNN article makes note of just over a 1 year supply of recoverable oil.
| Quote: | Bush and other drilling advocates argue that the country needs the estimated 10.5 billion barrels of oil that are believed to lie beneath the refuges coastal tundra in northeastern Alaska and slow the growing dependence on oil imports. The United States now uses about 7.3 billion barrels of oil a year.
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/04/anwr.drilling.ap/index.html
In all of the figures I have seen, 10.5 billion barrels is on the high end of the estimates for recoverable oil in ANWR. Look at the big picture, one year of oil production is not worth it. Not only is it going to worsen the crisis when the reserves up there run out (because prices will jump more suddenly, theoretically at least), but it sends the wrong message. "Let's do whatever it takes to keep on using oil."
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Posted: 11/10/05 - 10:16 Post subject:
My Republican Senator campaigned he'd vote against AWWR drilling and he has stuck with his stance 
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phillycat
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Posted: 11/10/05 - 10:20 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | occurs to me the moose and caribou will move out of the way before the drilling starts
seriously the area they'll drill in is so small compared to the toal area it won't make a pimple on the ass of an elephant's difference in the area. |
In reality drilling in the artic national wildlife refuge will negitively impact the environment there. It is a misconception made by many that if we isolate the drilling to a small area, animals will just move out of the way. The other issue is the fact that this drilling will not help the situation will oil prices. The answer needs to be alternative fuel sources...period.
http://www.savearcticrefuge.org/
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phillycat
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Posted: 11/10/05 - 10:23 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | occurs to me the moose and caribou will move out of the way before the drilling starts
seriously the area they'll drill in is so small compared to the toal area it won't make a pimple on the ass of an elephant's difference in the area. |
The reality of the situation.
"The proposed oil and gas development would occur on the 1.5-million acre coastal plain found along the Beaufort Sea. This area is the most sensitive in the entire refuge and habitat loss that occurs here will impact the entire Arctic Refuge. The coastal plain habitat within the Arctic Refuge is also unique from other regions of the North Slope of Alaska because it is relatively narrow (only 15-40 miles across), limiting the alternatives for animals using these areas."
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Posted: 11/10/05 - 10:28 Post subject:
| wanttorun100 wrote: | occurs to me the moose and caribou will move out of the way before the drilling starts
seriously the area they'll drill in is so small compared to the toal area it won't make a pimple on the ass of an elephant's difference in the area. |
For now the area is that small. And if the above posts are right about the ecological impact...it's not worth it. We can pay more and force ourselves to find other sources of fuel rather than oil.
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Posted: 11/10/05 - 16:43 Post subject:
| phillycat wrote: | | The other issue is the fact that this drilling will not help the situation will oil prices. The answer needs to be alternative fuel sources...period. |
Please don't take this the wrong way PC... but that seems to be a fairly short-sighted viewpoint for someone who is supposedly progressive. Shouldn't all viable options be on the table if we want the US to be less dependant on Middle East Oil?
Let's not forget that a vast amount of Natural Gas (whose high prices many from the left side of the aisle will rail about this upcoming winter) will be recoverable if drilling is allowed in ANWR. It ain't just about Oil.
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phillycat
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Posted: 11/11/05 - 08:37 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: | | phillycat wrote: | | The other issue is the fact that this drilling will not help the situation will oil prices. The answer needs to be alternative fuel sources...period. |
Please don't take this the wrong way PC... but that seems to be a fairly short-sighted viewpoint for someone who is supposedly progressive. Shouldn't all viable options be on the table if we want the US to be less dependant on Middle East Oil?
Let's not forget that a vast amount of Natural Gas (whose high prices many from the left side of the aisle will rail about this upcoming winter) will be recoverable if drilling is allowed in ANWR. It ain't just about Oil. |
It isn't just about us not being dependent on oil from the Middle East either. Unfortunately that's what our gov't would like us to believe....but I don't. There are other source of fuel.
I think that it is short-sighted to think that drilling in ANWR for some minute amount of oil is worth the price of destroying an ecosystem that can never, ever be replaced. This is what people have done for centuries and looks where it has gotten us. It makes me sick.
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Posted: 11/11/05 - 08:46 Post subject:
My opinion is that we need to stay out of Alaska. It remains our last frontier and we don't need to go in and screw it up any more than we already have.
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Posted: 11/11/05 - 09:02 Post subject:
| robp wrote: | | My opinion is that we need to stay out of Alaska. It remains our last frontier and we don't need to go in and screw it up any more than we already have. |
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