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GaRebelRunner
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 Posted: 06/27/04 - 18:06 Post subject: HRM training update
I know there were several of us using HRM training a few months back. I kind of fell of the wagon because it seemed so slow.
But after really gagging on a couple of 12 mile runs (I finished them, but not pretty at all) I'm back on the HRM training. Even bought a new Polar S410 to replace a useless Cardio HRM I had. I ran a 14 miler yesterday keeping my HR <70% and finished with no problems, even able to turn on the burners on the last half mile.
I used it this afternoon for what was supposed to be a 3 mile recovery run and ended up doing 5 miles because I felt so good.
So I guess I will reinstitute the HRM training for now and stick with it for awhile.
How was everyone else's experience that was using HRM training?
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Posted: 06/27/04 - 18:33 Post subject:
Sounds like it's working for you. I've never tried this before. My HR is high to begin with and I always figured training by it would scare me. 
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HYPERASHEL
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Posted: 06/27/04 - 18:34 Post subject:
i use mine mostly for the Long Steady Rolls. i think it really helped out on this years BRAG event as well. i sed it for the first three days, which were in the hills and made sure i kept it between 65-70%. The second three days was on the flats and i did not use it BUT i felt great, which i contribute to have holding myself in check on the harder part of the course.
Goodluck GR
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Posted: 06/27/04 - 19:12 Post subject:
I'm still convinced this is a great training tool. My main concern is keeping my easy runs easy, and I don't worry too much about the hard runs, although I do try to keep them in range. My pace has definitely picked up, and recently, I've found the sub 9 min. mile zone for tempo runs. A bit fast for what I'm training for, but still, happy to see them!
Since I'm marathon training now, I'm using Pfitzinger's recomendations for HR zones.
I'm convinced.
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Cappy
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Posted: 06/27/04 - 19:13 Post subject:
I really focused on HRM training while preparing for my first marathon.
I found it very benefical and an important part of my training.
Cappy note: I moved this from TT& RR
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TimRuns
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Posted: 06/27/04 - 21:02 Post subject:
Yep, I'm still an HRM user..My long runs have gone faster again recently but I now find it alot harder to keep my HR down due to the heat... 
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elkid
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 10:00 Post subject:
In the 3 months or so I've been using the dreaded HRM, I have seen drastic improvement in my racing times, and more importantly, how I feel after said races. I can't wait to see how well I'll do once the heat and humidity go away.
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 12:23 Post subject:
| elkid wrote: | | In the 3 months or so I've been using the dreaded HRM, I have seen drastic improvement in my racing times, and more importantly, how I feel after said races. I can't wait to see how well I'll do once the heat and humidity go away. |
What's the range of improvement you're calling "drastic"?
Just wanting to add a spin to this thread since I'm already on record as a HRM skeptic. As I read posts about HRM strapped runners, there doesn't seem often to be much in terms of drastic changes in race times.
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elkid
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 13:12 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | | elkid wrote: | | In the 3 months or so I've been using the dreaded HRM, I have seen drastic improvement in my racing times, and more importantly, how I feel after said races. I can't wait to see how well I'll do once the heat and humidity go away. |
What's the range of improvement you're calling "drastic"?
Just wanting to add a spin to this thread since I'm already on record as a HRM skeptic. As I read posts about HRM strapped runners, there doesn't seem often to be much in terms of drastic changes in race times. |
PRs galore spring racing season. 10K alone was by close to 4 minutes, I think. The biggest proof: 5K PR in late October. 5K in horrendously hot and humid summer weather: 8 seconds off PR. 5K as last leg of sprint tri, where I walked 2 minutes: 48 seconds or so off. And I notoriously suck at 5Ks because I hate them so much and I'm slow as molasses.
Again, the biggest difference is how I feel after the races. Sometimes I go all out, sometimes not. But I don't feel like death or puking as much as before because I'm starting to recognize when too much is indeed too much. My overall LSD times are coming down, too. I can run a half for fun and still come damn close to my PR time. Not too shabby. But this is obviously a long term project. Ask me in November. I'm sure I'll have many other good things to report.
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 14:29 Post subject:
I tried, but it never caught on with me.
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jrjo
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 14:40 Post subject:
| elkid wrote: | | jrjo wrote: | | elkid wrote: | | In the 3 months or so I've been using the dreaded HRM, I have seen drastic improvement in my racing times, and more importantly, how I feel after said races. I can't wait to see how well I'll do once the heat and humidity go away. |
What's the range of improvement you're calling "drastic"?
Just wanting to add a spin to this thread since I'm already on record as a HRM skeptic. As I read posts about HRM strapped runners, there doesn't seem often to be much in terms of drastic changes in race times. |
PRs galore spring racing season. 10K alone was by close to 4 minutes, I think. The biggest proof: 5K PR in late October. 5K in horrendously hot and humid summer weather: 8 seconds off PR. 5K as last leg of sprint tri, where I walked 2 minutes: 48 seconds or so off. And I notoriously suck at 5Ks because I hate them so much and I'm slow as molasses.
Again, the biggest difference is how I feel after the races. Sometimes I go all out, sometimes not. But I don't feel like death or puking as much as before because I'm starting to recognize when too much is indeed too much. My overall LSD times are coming down, too. I can run a half for fun and still come damn close to my PR time. Not too shabby. But this is obviously a long term project. Ask me in November. I'm sure I'll have many other good things to report. |
Thanks for the answer elkid. But just so the viewers at home are in the know, if memory serves me right in posts I've read, you've done quite a bit else in tweaking since last year, such as weight loss, curtailing cigarettes and adding cross-training with triathlon preparation. Where do you think the HRM ranks in importance for you among all these factors plus any that I've missed?
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elkid
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Posted: 06/30/04 - 15:53 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | | Thanks for the answer elkid. But just so the viewers at home are in the know, if memory serves me right in posts I've read, you've done quite a bit else in tweaking since last year, such as weight loss, curtailing cigarettes and adding cross-training with triathlon preparation. Where do you think the HRM ranks in importance for you among all these factors plus any that I've missed? |
WEIGHT FACTOR: My weight loss was recent. After my marathon I gained back 16 pounds. Stayed at that weight on purpose through tri training. Lost 8 lbs right before the tri due to illness. So weight, insignificant factor.
SMOKING FACTOR: That was last year. No impact.
CROSSTRAINING: more leg balance, for sure, due to cycling. more upper body control, for sure, with swimming. Aerobic capacity has to be up due to both.
I still contend that the HRM has done me the best with running. I go out fast and hard, and this has stopped me from doing so. When I ran the Brooklyn half and wore it, I felt I was going at an easier pace and did better than at Queens where I tried to trust myself (went out hard, then slowed down). Was faster at Brooklyn by 9 minutes, I believe.
I was not always a fan. I fought the HRM, for a long time. I'm glad I got it, though. Last summer almost every run felt like death. This summer, only the extreme heat and humidity bothers me. 85 degrees with 40% humidity is no big deal. Plus, it's kept me out of the med tent a few times.
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