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.jrjo
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 Posted: 04/25/06 - 17:50 Post subject:
| MechEngDropout wrote: | Off topic... If I was on my last term in office... I'd be doing things that are good for the people yet people hate. Just enough to get by without impeachment.  |
And have an approval rating of 33% and have senators from Wisconsin calling for your censure? 
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cherylpf
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Posted: 04/25/06 - 17:52 Post subject:
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Sounds pretty short sighted. Prices are going to continue going up in the long run, are we just going to abandon hope of environmental protection? |
Very short sighted, but thats been the name of his administration, particularly with oil and environmental concerns. Raising prices force Americans to evaluate their gas usage and cut back while preparing for the impact on their disposable income. A better solution would be to help facilitate other solutions (ie the additive that isn't being shipped currently), encourage public transportation systems in medium to large cities, find ways to reward those who don't use gas (ie PH) to commute, reward those whose commute is shorter or is done in gas efficient vehicles. But instead he encourages those who commute alone in their monster SUVs 30-40 miles by making it easier for them to waste the gas to which they feel entitled" I think he's afraid of the impact increasing fuel prices will have on the economy in the last few years of his administration and the resulting impact it will have in the '08 election. Unfortunately, when gas prices inevitably continue to rise, the impact on the economy will only be worse. Or, maybe he's just really that short sighted.
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.jrjo
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Posted: 04/25/06 - 18:58 Post subject:
| cherylpf wrote: | | ...But instead he encourages those who commute alone in their monster SUVs 30-40 miles by making it easier for them to waste the gas to which they feel entitled... |
Which decision/policy has made it easier and an encouragement to drive suv's alone? j/c
I dare say the POTUS has but a whisp of influence on the petroleum juggernaut. Releasing national reserves or easing environmental restrictions is going to what, drop the price a dime a gallon?..maybe a quarter?.. for 90-days? 180-days? I dunno. That doesn't seem like much encouragement to get a monster suv.
Bottom-line, imho, is solutions are going to have to come, like almost everything political, locally. Here in Minnesota, we footed the bill to construct a light rail commuter train that goes diagonal through Minneapolis. It's been a gang buster success. People pack to commute on it, get to the airport and even metrodome games on the weekend and such. And another biggie local initiative is the E85 fuel (whether you agree with the environmental impact or not) which is made with all domestic agriculture, the governor has gotten support behind it and state vehicles are run on it, there are now pumps everywhere (even Wobegon, so I know it's everywhere) and dealers are selling 'em like crazy.
So again, my  , but I won't hold my breath over what DC might have to say. But it'll be the actual grass roots people and state initiatives that'll do the trick.
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Posted: 04/25/06 - 20:13 Post subject:
President Bush is trying. Trust me, I know. He is trying with Biodeisel. Trust me, I know. That loan I just did is backed by tax credits that he signed. Biodiesel manufacturers are credited a certain amount per thousand gallons produced.... they can keep it or pass it onto the consumer. If they pass it onto the consumer, they are credited another .39 per 100 gallons of biodiesel.
He is trying.
I guess I understood more of that freaking loan than I thought.
5Million gallons sold so far this year, btw. Just for my customer.
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Posted: 04/25/06 - 20:17 Post subject:
| j1miller wrote: | President Bush is trying. Trust me, I know. He is trying with Biodeisel. Trust me, I know. That loan I just did is backed by tax credits that he signed. Biodiesel manufacturers are credited a certain amount per thousand gallons produced.... they can keep it or pass it onto the consumer. If they pass it onto the consumer, they are credited another .39 per 100 gallons of biodiesel.
He is trying.
I guess I understood more of that freaking loan than I thought.
5Million gallons sold so far this year, btw. Just for my customer. |
Considering that world consumption is around 83 million barrels EVERY DAY, 5 Mil over a 4 months is a drop in the bucket. Just to put it in perspective. But I am of the mentality that every little bit helps.
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Posted: 04/25/06 - 20:27 Post subject:
| MechEngDropout wrote: | | j1miller wrote: | President Bush is trying. Trust me, I know. He is trying with Biodeisel. Trust me, I know. That loan I just did is backed by tax credits that he signed. Biodiesel manufacturers are credited a certain amount per thousand gallons produced.... they can keep it or pass it onto the consumer. If they pass it onto the consumer, they are credited another .39 per 100 gallons of biodiesel.
He is trying.
I guess I understood more of that freaking loan than I thought.
5Million gallons sold so far this year, btw. Just for my customer. |
Considering that world consumption is around 83 million barrels EVERY DAY, 5 Mil over a 4 months is a drop in the bucket. Just to put it in perspective. But I am of the mentality that every little bit helps. |
It's just one little company.....
But that he made the incentive for these companies is more my point.
He's thinking and trying to make incentives for alternative fuel sources....
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Posted: 04/25/06 - 20:32 Post subject:
| cherylpf wrote: | | find ways to reward those who don't use gas (ie PH) to commute, reward those whose commute is shorter or is done in gas efficient vehicles. |
Why don't I ever get a tax credit for using zero emissions bicycle but if I bought a zero emissions car I could?
/sorry, semi-off-topic.
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Posted: 04/26/06 - 09:15 Post subject:
Friends who moved here last year from England still think this is cheap. They tell me I can start complaining when it reaces $6 a gallon.
I agree: tax deduction (above the line) for those who commute gaslessly.
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Posted: 04/26/06 - 09:26 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | Friends who moved here last year from England still think this is cheap. They tell me I can start complaining when it reaces $6 a gallon.
I agree: tax deduction (above the line) for those who commute gaslessly. |
The only rpoblem is .... more paperwork and a problem with how to prove it....
But, in theory, I agree. I just don't see how it could be implemented effectively.
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Posted: 04/26/06 - 10:00 Post subject:
| j1miller wrote: | | Gogirlgo wrote: | Friends who moved here last year from England still think this is cheap. They tell me I can start complaining when it reaces $6 a gallon.
I agree: tax deduction (above the line) for those who commute gaslessly. |
The only rpoblem is .... more paperwork and a problem with how to prove it....
But, in theory, I agree. I just don't see how it could be implemented effectively. |
On an individual level cycling to work, or moving close enough to your job to walk or use very minimal gas. On a governmental level, work on public transportation: cars, trains, light rail lines. Go to Europe, there are cities full of people without drivers licenses or cars, much less a need for either. American cities (especially the one I live in) were built quickly without much thought except that we would always commute using petroleum fueled cars. Optimistic thought from an oil driven city I guess
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cherylpf
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Posted: 04/26/06 - 10:03 Post subject:
| .jrjo wrote: | | cherylpf wrote: | | ...But instead he encourages those who commute alone in their monster SUVs 30-40 miles by making it easier for them to waste the gas to which they feel entitled... |
Which decision/policy has made it easier and an encouragement to drive suv's alone? j/c
I dare say the POTUS has but a whisp of influence on the petroleum juggernaut. Releasing national reserves or easing environmental restrictions is going to what, drop the price a dime a gallon?..maybe a quarter?.. for 90-days? 180-days? I dunno. That doesn't seem like much encouragement to get a monster suv.
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As you said in another post, people will take this seriously when prices reach $10. There are many people who wouldn't make it to the $10 mark before selling their less efficient vehicle, moving or finding a different job.
I guess my point is, releasing the national reserves or easing environmental restrictions really do what beyond ease the price for a very short term? It seems like a bandaid on a bullet wound to me, not addressing the real issue.
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.jrjo
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Posted: 04/26/06 - 10:30 Post subject:
| cherylpf wrote: | | I guess my point is, releasing the national reserves or easing environmental restrictions really do what beyond ease the price for a very short term? It seems like a bandaid on a bullet wound to me, not addressing the real issue. |
I'm convinced Dubya is in a no-win situation. Jen talks about biodiesel credits he created. Any kudos for Dubya there? Dubya proposes a billion dollars into hydrogen development and no one cheers?
He addresses exactly what the real issue is, this country is addicted to oil. As long as people have the dollars in their pocket to buy the gas for the car in their garage, they're going to. A President can't 'make' people do otherwise. The alternatives are out there and many of us take advantage of them. And until the price of gas goes thru the roof, I don't see the average suburban joe making any kind of energy lifestyle change, regardless of a tax credit, government grant, inspiring presidential speech or whatever. 
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Posted: 04/26/06 - 10:34 Post subject:
| .jrjo wrote: | | cherylpf wrote: | | I guess my point is, releasing the national reserves or easing environmental restrictions really do what beyond ease the price for a very short term? It seems like a bandaid on a bullet wound to me, not addressing the real issue. |
I'm convinced Dubya is in a no-win situation. Jen talks about biodiesel credits he created. Any kudos for Dubya there? Dubya proposes a billion dollars into hydrogen development and no one cheers?
He addresses exactly what the real issue is, this country is addicted to oil. As long as people have the dollars in their pocket to buy the gas for the car in their garage, they're going to. A President can't 'make' people do otherwise. The alternatives are out there and many of us take advantage of them. And until the price of gas goes thru the roof, I don't see the average suburban joe making any kind of energy lifestyle change, regardless of a tax credit, government grant, inspiring presidential speech or whatever. |
I agree. People respond when it hits their wallet.
Also, again, why did he do what he did the other day? I really don't know.
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Posted: 04/26/06 - 10:35 Post subject:
| cherylpf wrote: | | .jrjo wrote: | | cherylpf wrote: | | I guess my point is, releasing the national reserves or easing environmental restrictions really do what beyond ease the price for a very short term? It seems like a bandaid on a bullet wound to me, not addressing the real issue. |
I'm convinced Dubya is in a no-win situation. Jen talks about biodiesel credits he created. Any kudos for Dubya there? Dubya proposes a billion dollars into hydrogen development and no one cheers?
He addresses exactly what the real issue is, this country is addicted to oil. As long as people have the dollars in their pocket to buy the gas for the car in their garage, they're going to. A President can't 'make' people do otherwise. The alternatives are out there and many of us take advantage of them. And until the price of gas goes thru the roof, I don't see the average suburban joe making any kind of energy lifestyle change, regardless of a tax credit, government grant, inspiring presidential speech or whatever. |
I agree. People respond when it hits their wallet.
Also, again, why did he do what he did the other day? I really don't know. |
He did what he did because people were crying for him to do something and that was all he could do within his control.
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Posted: 04/26/06 - 11:03 Post subject:
| j1miller wrote: | | cherylpf wrote: | | .jrjo wrote: | | cherylpf wrote: | | I guess my point is, releasing the national reserves or easing environmental restrictions really do what beyond ease the price for a very short term? It seems like a bandaid on a bullet wound to me, not addressing the real issue. |
I'm convinced Dubya is in a no-win situation. Jen talks about biodiesel credits he created. Any kudos for Dubya there? Dubya proposes a billion dollars into hydrogen development and no one cheers?
He addresses exactly what the real issue is, this country is addicted to oil. As long as people have the dollars in their pocket to buy the gas for the car in their garage, they're going to. A President can't 'make' people do otherwise. The alternatives are out there and many of us take advantage of them. And until the price of gas goes thru the roof, I don't see the average suburban joe making any kind of energy lifestyle change, regardless of a tax credit, government grant, inspiring presidential speech or whatever. |
I agree. People respond when it hits their wallet.
Also, again, why did he do what he did the other day? I really don't know. |
He did what he did because people were crying for him to do something and that was all he could do within his control. |
but what result is it supposed to have?
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