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PostPosted: 05/09/06 - 19:37    Post subject: HELP!! Need advice for Marathon training!
I am wondering what marathon training program I should go with. This would be my first marathon. I have heard good things about Hal Higdons program...but was doing some reading and have looked at Galloway's Book of Running, and The Marathon Runners Handbook.


Galloway stresses that it is important to run the full 26 miles during your training regime. Most of his training programs have you running that distance. Other sources say you really do not have to run the full distance during training.

I am wondering what is the a good training program?? I have read about hitting the wall at 20 miles and grinding out the last six. Any advice would be much appreciated. My goal first and foremost is to finish....but ideally I would like to finish under 4 hours. But maybe I am wrong to set that goal???

Any insight would be great!!!
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PostPosted: 05/09/06 - 19:41    Post subject:
First off, welcome aboard!

Second, I am not qualified to give advice since I've never run a marathon.

I know a few peeps here will chime in and give you excellent advice.

Sorry I couldn't help, but welcome!!
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PostPosted: 05/09/06 - 22:48    Post subject: ANY HELP OUT THERE FOR A NEWBIE??
I want to train for my first marathon as you can see from my first post. Is anyone out there who can respond to my questions and give me some advice?? Would appreciate any posts with some advice!!!
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PostPosted: 05/10/06 - 04:49    Post subject:
For your first marathon, I don't think you'd need to run the full 26 miles. Up to 22 would be the farthest I'd go.
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PostPosted: 05/10/06 - 05:12    Post subject:
How about a bit of background Cooker.
What sort of time frame are you looking at ?
More important, what's your running history; how long have you been running; race experience; times, etc. ?
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PostPosted: 05/10/06 - 17:26    Post subject:
i enjoy running but have never really committed to running a marathon but have always thought it would be a great challenge...and a satisfying achievement. i usually run in a couple of 5k runs every summer but never really have committed to running long distances(rarely run longer than a 10k).

i am looking for a marathon in september or october. and am thinking about the whistlestop marathon up in ashland, wi. any suggestions for other marathons in late fall would be appreciated. i feel like i have plenty of time to train until that point. as stated before, i would appreciate any advice on which training program i should follow. i typically run 5k's in 21-22 minutes.

i am not sure what other information would be helpful to you. i havent been running much over this past winter but i do cross country ski. so i am getting back into running now usually running 3-4 miles/run. i am slowing building up my mileage as spring progresses. Thanks to anyone who can help me with some advice!! I am kind of new to this forum stuff.
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PostPosted: 05/11/06 - 15:24    Post subject: HELP!!
Not many responses out there. I was hoping some experienced marathoners could give some advice to me on how best to train. Can anyone help me out?? Is there a way to get people to respond to this thread?? I am new to these forums...how do i get more feedback?? Please look at my previous posts for my questions. Thanks!!!
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PostPosted: 05/12/06 - 08:54    Post subject:
Try this link. I used their half marathon program to with success. I'm training for the Kona Marathon with a group. Our workouts are similar to most marathon programs.

http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_4/130.shtml

Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: 05/12/06 - 18:31    Post subject:
Sorry Cooker, see my comments in Mid Packers
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PostPosted: 05/27/06 - 17:27    Post subject: Re: HELP!!
Cooker wrote:
Not many responses out there. I was hoping some experienced marathoners could give some advice to me on how best to train. Can anyone help me out?? Is there a way to get people to respond to this thread?? I am new to these forums...how do i get more feedback?? Please look at my previous posts for my questions. Thanks!!!


There is no one BEST way to train - the best way to train is what works best for you! There are a gazillion training programs out there - you need to decide on your goal for the race (finish, certain time, qualify for Boston?), then determine how much effort/time you can put into training - there are 3x per week programs (FIRST, I think it's called), then there are 7x per week programs - programs that include cross-training, programs that are all running.

All that said - I used a modified Hal Higdon for my first Half, then a program given to me by a coach that knew me well that called for 1 off day (no running), 3 easy days, 1 day of heavy speedwork, 1 tempo run, and 1 long slow distance - it worked for me!
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PostPosted: 05/29/06 - 10:58    Post subject:
What program you use probably depends on what you are looking to accomplish and how you want to accomplish it. It also depends on how strong your base training is.

Personally, I like Hal Higdon's program. There is no best way and I don't feel that you have to run a full 26.2 to finish the marathon. But the stronger you get in running and training the easier it will be.

If you are already comfortable running 4-5 times a week at 3-4 to the occasional 5 miles midweek and a 6-8 mile weekend run, you are probably ready to begin a novice level program. This assumes your sole goal is to finish. If you start basing your primary goals off of time, I can't really help you except that you'd need a stronger base of running and perhaps racing to help determine what is possible/realistic for your first marathon.
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PostPosted: 06/05/06 - 02:32    Post subject:
I am tapering for my first marathon and my longest run was 23 miles. I hit the wall on a previous run of 21 miles because I did not hydrate enough. My 23 miler was a piece of cake compared to the 21 because I did hydrate.

I do not think it is necessary to run the full 26.2. As a matter a fact, a local marathoner recommended to me not to run 23, but just 20. My 23 miler was a good day, I could have easily ran 26.2 but was it necessary? No. But we are all different, the 23 miler gave plenty of confidence for the run.

Best of Luck.
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PostPosted: 06/06/06 - 16:25    Post subject:
My sugestion.Increase weekly mileage every week by cca 2 miles.One long run can be max. 30% of weekly mileage.Every 3 or 4 week you have to decrease mileage by 30% be cause recovery.Once in week you can run 6.50 per mile,slow run in 9 min. and very long run in 9 to 10 min. mile
I am open to questions.
I am from abroad,sorry for my bad English.
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Stick in the Mud in training
what age should kids start running (training)
High Carb diet for training
How goes the training?
Training Day - The Movie
young doctor in training
What are WE training for?
Training to get slower?!?
long and short training
Training question
Triathlon swim training
Anyone follow the McMillan Training schedule?
HRM Training
Army Training Siiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Newbie Weight-training strategies?
Training through a race?
Running/Training problem this weekend
Crosstraining?
ironman-distance training survey
Weight Training questions
so what are YOU training for?
base before training for a half?
scientific running training
Training reflection
Free online training log
HRM training
Training Program
Swim training strategies
Training Agenda
How/Where do you log your training?
what is WITH all these circuit training gyms?
Training suggestions requested
Protein intake (& Weight training)
Altitude training
Good Summer training for bmx
when sending your troops on secret training exercise....
Training with Abby report
Weight Training - # of reps question
Uper Management Training
tennis (or cross training) on day of 'long' run?
Buns and Training runs
Need input on a on-line training log
ever do a tri w/o much training?
Movie Review: Police Academy 3 - Back in Training (1986)
Overtraining and undereating
5k day after 8 mile training run?
HRM training update
Training Software???
Training over your head
Measuring training effect
Measuring training effect
Foot Injury & training
Training for the half:
Heat exhaustion and training for heat
Ironman training?
Training log back up and running
Moved thread: Training discrepancies (elkid vs ph)
10 Miler Training Schedule
10 Miler Training Schedule
training for pol. academy, need help.
Weight Training and Running/Biking
Training Tales For Abby
UPDATE -- Training log is back up!
Runner-to-new-parent and (lack of?) training
need help with training
Training paces for elite runners
Training Runs with a group
I need to start training again
Give Blood Before You Start your Base Training
www.trainand Training and nutrition with doctors
Post-training insomnia
Back to training
Training hard but not performing in the race!
Training through races - Part 1
Training through races - Part 2
Training Sessions in Order.
Considering a change up in my training
Cross Training??
Are these forums not really meant for training advice?
Free nutrition and training diary online
OK, a training question!
Training
Spring training triathlon RR
first swim training day
I just made my training schedule for this summer
Long Island Iced Teas and Tri Training
any interest in training partners?
want a training partner?
want a training partner?
my official cross training for the day is...
Need new Training Plan...
News Flash: Rye and coke valuable training tool
Lets have some disscussion on Resistance Training.
training schedule help...
You know you're training too hard:
Training new people.
Getting back into training...
Weight Training and Body Weight
near death training experience last night
Potty Training in Canada...
runner discusses cross training
ironman training
Core Routine/Training
my training week is all messed up!
Training for triathlon
Aerobic capacity w.r.t. strength training
Training Logs and planned miles
Basic training goal - 2 miles 13:30 - 12 weeks left
No strenght training
Training Tale Critter Checker
Resistance Training
still eating like I'm in training!
Training for the mile
Training Regime
My Training
My opinion on training based on heart rate
Cross training
Sport specifc overtraining - does it exist?
Training tips for your first race
my mgmt training is very good.
Summer Cross Training Plans
Training surface of choice...
periodised endurance training
Back from injuries, new training plan need help
Training - Should I mix it up?
What's your Cross-training sport of choice?
the 8 week training sched
Anyone blog their training?
training logs down?
Best training practices?
Strength Training Plan
Racing flats for training?
Tampa/Clearwater area- training partners
50k training plan
Training Advice
Speed/Sprint training
help I need a training group!
Core Training?
eliptical training for running
Over-training?
mile training
Why can't we run 27mi training runs?
Is triathlon training a good substitute for xc training
Last 4 weeks training advice??
Optimal training…for FREE
Free training program for underprivileged children
Strength Training Question
Improve perfromance with heart rate zone training
New training tool
Weight training suggestion for cyclists
Indoor training
Indoor Training tips for cyclist?
Weight-training for bikers
5K Training Program
Cycling heart rate zone training
Cycling training plan questions
How to adjust my training plan to fit in a race
Training with weighted water bottle
GPS Training devices question
Cycling training with a cold
Hill Runner weight training advice
Pacing strategy for bike training
Weight training or cycling?
Training with Heart rate monitor
Rainy day bike training
training twice a day
When to use weight training?
starting training question and help
Mental training is also important
High Intensity training for weight loss
Strength training for pro swimmers
Training with mountain bike?
Training for butterfly on 200m
Best Butterfly training
Late evening swimming training
My first training for a triathlon
interval training for long distance cycling
ineffective training for long distance riders
Cycling training software question
Training Zones question?
Winter cycle training
Writing a training plan?
Cyclist's Weight training
Training questions for mountain biking
weekly training hours
Training for Winter Swimming
the best cycling training techniques?
Stretching training for Swimmers
Weight training shoes
Good training schedule for beginners?
Training twice a day - Too much?
Impact of weight training
Training and racing advice needed
Hill bike training
Cycling as cross training for running?
Cycle training with Type 1 Diabetes
cyclist's weight lifting training
Spending most of my training on a trainer?
Some advices on Sprint training
Question about training intensity
Strenght training tips
Swimming training movies
Some Training Tips
What do you like: Hill or Flat training?
Training program advice
50-mile bike ride training tips
Off season weight training
High intensity training
Training Tips for a Novice Cyclist
Design a training plan?
HR training concept
Endurance training suggestions
heart stress during training?
Share your training secrets
Beginners cycling training tips
Off-season training
Sexual issues due to intense training?
Weekly Training?
Good training DVDs for cyclists?
Hill climb training advice
Stuck in cross-country training
Change training from running to cycling
Running vs cycling training
leg soreness after long distance bike training
Weight Training before or after swimming?
best training time
My first bike training
Winter running training
Tips for Triathalon training
Training techniques based on Heart Rate
Training programs for cyclists recommendation
Bike training in the Rain
Bike Sprinting Training
winter training for cyclists?
Heart Rate monitoring training
Turbo training guidance
Increasing fitness with cross training
Cross-training with running help swimming?
Bicycle Indoor Training
Cross Training???
new to running for basic training
Use time trials for training workouts
training and getting sick to my stomach....
Training both Sprinting & Gymnastics.
Treadmill Training (Newbie)
tips for training sets
Beginner Senior (55) looking for training advice
Overtraining
Training for distance, need advice! (shoes)
How do I avoid overtraining?
Corporate Training Sydney
change pace during training
Run Mate - an iPhone app for running training plans
Team Philly Race Training
prepping for basic training
strength training
Women Asics Training Shoes ,great deal!!
Little improvement after training
3K training advice needed
53 training for first 5k - muscle soreness
Training for 1600m
PaceMaker (Pace training App for Android)
Fitness training with dogs?
PaceMaker (Pace training App for Android)
Strength Training Routine To Prevent Knee Pain When Running
Improving Fartlek/Speed Training
Sprinting / Long run training?
Pure Gym's Carl Wallace provides Bike Ride Training Plan
Training Tips from Olympic Gold Medalist, Derrick Adkins
Training for a 10k
Running Training Methods
10k Training - Need Advice
5K Run training blog from Jessica Hall
New Balance Spring Training Contest
A Question about Distance Training
First 5K! 20:34 5k on treadmill. How low can I go w/training
Looking for training advice?
HELP! I'm a Triathlete: Bike, Run, Weight Training
Does altitude training work?
training programs, shin splints, and hydration OH MY....
Training while sick
Weight training to increase speed
Tea that helps in training?
Cool Runnings Training Program
Training after a goal race
Suunto T6c Training Watch
Training for a 5k
Why choose IOSH Training?
Treadmill Training
Running with Strength Training

 




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