|
|
|
|
rolling rock
The Pinball
|
|
|
Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 16218
Location: unknown zone
|
| Back to top
|
|
 Posted: 08/13/04 - 07:14 Post subject:
| airehead wrote: |
It's always hard to live a life that you've built to make others happy.
|
it's incomprehensible to most of us here, living that lie for all those years. i can't imagine the courage it took for him to face the truth in the public eye, under our microscope. now, he faces the real music. 
i hope everyone involved here can move forward, with open hearts and open MINDS.
|
|
|
|
|
sonnylax
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Posts: 2942
Location: Living in a lollipop and unicorn world
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 08/13/04 - 07:41 Post subject:
You guys crack me up. His "courage" to face the truth in the public eye, please..... The only reason he came out of the closet was because he was facing a lawsuit by the other guy. If that guy wasn't moving forward with the lawsuit... he still be fat, dumb, happy and living with his wife and kids in the NJ Governor's mansion. Lets not give him credit he doesn't deserve.
|
|
|
|
|
copteacher
Adjunct
|
|
|
Joined: 08 Jun 2002
Posts: 20588
Location: Teaching in the Halls of Justice
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 08/13/04 - 07:44 Post subject:
still a big blow to his ego. He loses a lot. The power and prestige of being governor, likely any future politics is gone. Yeah he will land on both feet, but this decision affects a lot of people. Rather than make it a scandal he decided to make it easier for everyone.
I think he made the right decision.
|
|
|
|
|
phillycat
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 14 Jul 2004
Posts: 1953
Location: Da hood
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 08/13/04 - 08:03 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: | | You guys crack me up. His "courage" to face the truth in the public eye, please..... The only reason he came out of the closet was because he was facing a lawsuit by the other guy. If that guy wasn't moving forward with the lawsuit... he still be fat, dumb, happy and living with his wife and kids in the NJ Governor's mansion. Lets not give him credit he doesn't deserve. |
I have to agree with sonnylax on this one. He used publicly coming out of the closet to try and cover up the fact that he was being blackmailed by the guy that he not only had an affair with, but that he had hired onto his staff as his homeland security officer even though he was not qualified. The guy did end up stepping down from this position but continued to be on the Governor's payroll for the next five months as one of the highest paid employees doing absolutely nothing. I think that it is unfortunate that McGreevy didn't just come out and tell the truth as to why he is really stepping down.
|
|
|
|
|
Cappy
Excelent
|
|
|
Joined: 16 May 2002
Posts: 27368
Location: Spreadsheetylvania
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 08/13/04 - 08:16 Post subject:
There is more to this story, him coming out of the closet is just the beginning. He may end up being indicted for some campaign/patronage violations
|
|
|
|
|
keltic63
the kilted one
|
|
|
Joined: 17 May 2002
Posts: 8574
Location: under the weather
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 08/13/04 - 08:39 Post subject:
| phillycat wrote: | | sonnylax wrote: | | You guys crack me up. His "courage" to face the truth in the public eye, please..... The only reason he came out of the closet was because he was facing a lawsuit by the other guy. If that guy wasn't moving forward with the lawsuit... he still be fat, dumb, happy and living with his wife and kids in the NJ Governor's mansion. Lets not give him credit he doesn't deserve. |
I have to agree with sonnylax on this one. He used publicly coming out of the closet to try and cover up the fact that he was being blackmailed by the guy that he not only had an affair with, but that he had hired onto his staff as his homeland security officer even though he was not qualified. The guy did end up stepping down from this position but continued to be on the Governor's payroll for the next five months as one of the highest paid employees doing absolutely nothing. I think that it is unfortunate that McGreevy didn't just come out and tell the truth as to why he is really stepping down. |
his coming out may have been forced because of the threat of blackmail. the governor's admission certainly takes the wind out of the sails of the employee. however, the situation was created by the fact that the governor felt society pressure him into hiding his true identity. it is wrong that the governor hired the man to a position for which he was not qualified, but then again, a lot of politicians do that sort of thing.
and sonnylax, are these some more of your facts? you still haven't answered my question.
|
|
|
|
|
Cappy
Excelent
|
|
|
Joined: 16 May 2002
Posts: 27368
Location: Spreadsheetylvania
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 08/13/04 - 08:46 Post subject:
*Sidenote* The statue of limitations for the aggrieved party to file his harassment suit expires today
|
|
|
|
|
purple hayes
Frightened Inmate #2
|
|
|
Joined: 14 May 2002
Posts: 14462
Location: ON YOUR LEFT!
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 08/13/04 - 08:51 Post subject:
| Cappy wrote: | | The statue of limitations |
Is that near the Statue of Liberty?
|
|
|
|
|
sonnylax
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Posts: 2942
Location: Living in a lollipop and unicorn world
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 08/13/04 - 10:26 Post subject:
| keltic63 wrote: | | and sonnylax, are these some more of your facts? you still haven't answered my question. |
Not sure what your question was keltic. Are you disputing the fact that the man was sexually confused?
|
|
|
|
|
runaroundsue
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 18 Sep 2002
Posts: 6629
Location: supporting GREENer pastures
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 08/13/04 - 10:42 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: | | keltic63 wrote: | | and sonnylax, are these some more of your facts? you still haven't answered my question. |
Not sure what your question was keltic. Are you disputing the fact that the man was sexually confused? |
No....I believe he is getting at the reference that just because he does not live as man and wife with his family, doesn't necessarily mean that he gives up his rights a father, nor does it make him a bad father, nor does it mean that he didn't put his children first when he decided to end his pseudo relationship with his wife.
|
|
|
|
|
keltic63
the kilted one
|
|
|
Joined: 17 May 2002
Posts: 8574
Location: under the weather
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 08/13/04 - 10:48 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: | | keltic63 wrote: | | and sonnylax, are these some more of your facts? you still haven't answered my question. |
Not sure what your question was keltic. Are you disputing the fact that the man was sexually confused? |
read this response, then click on the link at the bottom of this page that says "previous" or 1 to refresh your memory about the question.
|
|
|
|
|
sonnylax
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Posts: 2942
Location: Living in a lollipop and unicorn world
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 08/13/04 - 10:59 Post subject:
| keltic63 wrote: | | sonnylax wrote: | | keltic63 wrote: | | and sonnylax, are these some more of your facts? you still haven't answered my question. |
Not sure what your question was keltic. Are you disputing the fact that the man was sexually confused? |
read this response, then click on the link at the bottom of this page that says "previous" or 1 to refresh your memory about the question. |
Sorry if I offended you keltic. After reading your other long thread, this appears to be hitting very close to home.
I stated my opinion on this particular situation. I was not passing judgment on the entire gay & lesbian community. (I care less what any other consenting adult does in their own home. I'm a Libertarian at heart, but that's a different topic for a different day.)
The man has led a conflicting life and is confused about his sexuality. Surely you aren't disputing that, are you?
He is coming out of the closet to help cover up a pending sexual discrimintation lawsuit, not to mention the fact that he quite possibly violated other (campaign) laws. I don't think we should be all patting him on the back. That's all. His actions have negatively impacted his family and writing a check or "being there" for them won't change things one iota.
|
|
|
|
|
camelia bedelia
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 2808
Location: God's Country
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 08/13/04 - 11:11 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: | The man has led a conflicting life and is confused about his sexuality. Surely you aren't disputing that, are you?
|
Just because he chose to marry a woman does not mean he was confusedp about his orientation. It may (likely, even) means he chose the path that was expected of him and tried to hide what is not accepted by many people.
|
|
|
|
|
airehead
Oompa Loofah
|
|
|
Joined: 12 Nov 2002
Posts: 18788
Location: Between here and eternity...
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 08/13/04 - 16:09 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: | | keltic63 wrote: | | sonnylax wrote: | | keltic63 wrote: | | and sonnylax, are these some more of your facts? you still haven't answered my question. |
Not sure what your question was keltic. Are you disputing the fact that the man was sexually confused? |
read this response, then click on the link at the bottom of this page that says "previous" or 1 to refresh your memory about the question. |
Sorry if I offended you keltic. After reading your other long thread, this appears to be hitting very close to home.
I stated my opinion on this particular situation. I was not passing judgment on the entire gay & lesbian community. (I care less what any other consenting adult does in their own home. I'm a Libertarian at heart, but that's a different topic for a different day.)
The man has led a conflicting life and is confused about his sexuality. Surely you aren't disputing that, are you?
He is coming out of the closet to help cover up a pending sexual discrimintation lawsuit, not to mention the fact that he quite possibly violated other (campaign) laws. I don't think we should be all patting him on the back. That's all. His actions have negatively impacted his family and writing a check or "being there" for them won't change things one iota. |
Now, I admittedly do not know all of the details, but I think he could have handled things far differently--he could have denied all the allegations and insisted on an investigation, etc etc. And he could have made it very long and drawn out.
He resigned, he is not drawing the public through some political drama.
What I have a hard time with is that he seems to have chosen a path to please others and in the end ended up hurting himself and others. Being true to oneself is difficult.
|
|
|
|
|
Gogirlgo
Member
|
|
|
Joined: 25 Jul 2002
Posts: 4777
Location: No deal, stalker.
|
| Back to top
|
|
Posted: 08/16/04 - 09:36 Post subject:
I'm always glad to see someone come out b/c it's a difficult thing to do and what it says is that the person doing so believes in his self-worth and dignity more than s/he fears backlash.
But I agree with Sonny. McGreevey came out to avoid blackmail that was the result of some extremely poor choices he made. The choice involved putting someone he was sleeping with in a very responsible, sensitive, well-paid position for which that someone had no experience.
I think his coming out was designed to ensure the public would overlook all that.
|
|
|
|
