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kattzoo
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 Posted: 11/29/03 - 00:37 Post subject:
Hey msparks!
Hubby has to work...I refuse to let him sit around the house from age 40 on. He has another retirement to earn so I can keep switching careers and putting my retirement plans off indefinitely.  Besides, who would want to let all that great Marine Corp brainwashing, I mean training, go to waste.
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msparks
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Posted: 11/29/03 - 09:59 Post subject:
| kattzoo wrote: | Hey msparks!
Hubby has to work...I refuse to let him sit around the house from age 40 on. He has another retirement to earn so I can keep switching careers and putting my retirement plans off indefinitely. Besides, who would want to let all that great Marine Corp brainwashing, I mean training, go to waste. |
Roger that! Now that I think about it, a busy Marine is a happy Marine! And being an ex-sailor, I'd really like to take a shot and use the "brainwashing" bit...but I'm too nice of a guy...and you can ask the retired Gunny I flew with! 
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brie k
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Posted: 11/29/03 - 10:10 Post subject:
I think what GWB did was fabulous. It had to be a nice thing for all those soldiers to have the President spending his thanksgiving with them, and serving them some food to boot. I don't think it was a decision he or we should take lightly either. The logistics of doing it must've been a bit difficult, and willingly going into a country where there are those who would try to kill you if they knew of your whereabouts in their country... it's amazing.
sidebar: One of the reasons I don't care for Clinton is that he cut military spending, and was against us having a large military force. It's got nothing to do with him avoiding or dodging the draft.
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HYPERASHEL
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Posted: 11/29/03 - 13:47 Post subject:
Even though i do not think highly of Bush, this was good. Not certain how politically motivated but that was a huge risk if it was just for politics.
I dont like poli tics translation:
Poly= many
ticks= blood sucking parasites 
coincedence? i think not
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Posted: 11/29/03 - 14:19 Post subject:
 for playing nice everyone!
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Posted: 11/29/03 - 15:04 Post subject:
| shelflifers wrote: | for playing nice everyone!
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We just wanted to make sure you had gone to bed before it got really  in here. Are you still asleep?
Everyone knows how I yearn for political debates....
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kattzoo
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Posted: 11/29/03 - 15:09 Post subject:
| HYPERASHEL wrote: | Even though i do not think highly of Bush, this was good. Not certain how politically motivated but that was a huge risk if it was just for politics.
I dont like poli tics translation:
Poly= many
ticks= blood sucking parasites
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Never thought of that translation...you are definitely on to something.
I'm sure part of it was politically motivated, everything nowadays if you're a Republican/Democrat/Socialist whatever has some political ramifications. Hopefully, the troops benefited more than the President did from a few photo ops.
We had an article in today's paper detailing how the Iraqi's weren't impressed since he didn't visit with many of them, or tour the towns. Surely, they don't honestly believe that would happen in the middle of a war zone. Sometimes I hate this freedom of the press thing. Even Bush's biggest detractors would agree he shouldn't be wandering around Bagdad, shaking hands with anyone. Got to create news/controversy somewhere.
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msparks
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Posted: 11/29/03 - 19:50 Post subject:
| kattzoo wrote: |
We had an article in today's paper detailing how the Iraqi's weren't impressed since he didn't visit with many of them, or tour the towns. Surely, they don't honestly believe that would happen in the middle of a war zone. Sometimes I hate this freedom of the press thing. Even Bush's biggest detractors would agree he shouldn't be wandering around Bagdad, shaking hands with anyone. Got to create news/controversy somewhere |
I saw the same article. It was from the Associated Press. Not only did the Iraqi barber think that Bush didn't really care about Iraq because he didn't move out of a highly protected area (well, duh!), it was mentioned that some of the Iraqis considered his visit to Baghdad nothing more than a political move. Gee, coming from someone other than a Democrat? Maybe there's something to it?
The most absolutely cool thing that could have been done by our president would have been for him to visit the troops in Baghdad...and not personally invite five reporters with cameramen to document the visit. There would be no doubt that his intention was nothing but to give a boost to the troops.
At least he wasn't wearing a flight suit or desert cammys.
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akern
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Posted: 11/29/03 - 21:04 Post subject:
I have just one question. What's a milper? Thanks to those of you that explained some things about the draft. That was interesting to know.
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msparks
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Posted: 11/29/03 - 22:16 Post subject:
| akern wrote: | | I have just one question. What's a milper? Thanks to those of you that explained some things about the draft. That was interesting to know. |
Milper = military person.
It's one thing I first missed after I received my discharge - using abbreviations and acronyms. I guess it was just a military thing. At one time, I could compose a sentence and not use a single complete word. Why? Beats me. Until I was in the Navy, I'd never heard of words like fubar, snafu, asap, etc. Well, maybe I'd heard of fubar and snafu but I wasn't aware that they were acronyms.
Seen on the wall in the head: LEAP...Let's End Acronym Production.
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Posted: 11/30/03 - 13:04 Post subject:
| msparks wrote: |
The most absolutely cool thing that could have been done by our president would have been for him to visit the troops in Baghdad...and not personally invite five reporters with cameramen to document the visit. There would be no doubt that his intention was nothing but to give a boost to the troops. |
And you honestly think our liberal-leaning American press would have allowed that? They would have screamed bloody-blue murder if they were denied access to the President! Furthermore, it would have been the first time (probably in history) that the free press was denied access to travel with the presidential corps on Air Force One.
Do you think Hillary Clinton's visit to Afgahanstan and Iraq was politically motivated? She basically despised the military during her years with Bill in the White House, now she is going out of her way to show support for our troops abroad. Maybe there is somethign to it? 
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msparks
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Posted: 11/30/03 - 13:47 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: |
And you honestly think our liberal-leaning American press would have allowed that? They would have screamed bloody-blue murder if they were denied access to the President! Furthermore, it would have been the first time (probably in history) that the free press was denied access to travel with the presidential corps on Air Force One.
Do you think Hillary Clinton's visit to Afgahanstan and Iraq was politically motivated? She basically despised the military during her years with Bill in the White House, now she is going out of her way to show support for our troops abroad. Maybe there is somethign to it? |
Perhaps you should have read the same paper that I read. It was an article from the Cincinnati Enquirer (a most conservative paper!) which reported on the presidents who visited war zones during active war. So no, Bush II was not the only let alone the first president to do so. Nice try.
And guess what? There were those presidents who visited those war zones who did not invite the press. But perhaps we should look into the political leanings of the reporters invited along for the ride. If there was even one liberal-type, so much for favoritism. It would indicate that the president was being fair. I mean, gee, what did he have to lose?
You may be able to find the article elsewhere. It was written by Siobhan McDonough, an Associated Press writer.
And for the record, the American press has no right to fly aboard AF One. They go by invitation. And if they hadn't been invited? Too bad. They don't need - and by extension, us - to know every little detail of what the President of the United States does.
And as far as H.R. Clinton - she's a politician. I suspect that her act was political in nature. As far as motivation? Well, I can't say because I don't know her personally...same as for the president. However, only the most naive would believe that there was nothing political about Bush II's trip. Clinton won't be up for re-election soon - Bush will be.
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Posted: 12/01/03 - 10:26 Post subject:
| BamBam wrote: | | Gogirlgo wrote: | | I say given what he's put our troops through and the reasoning behind it, it's the least he could do. |
You know I thought the same thing about Somolia--but GW probably wasn't receiving a hummer when he decided to send troops into harms way..... |
Hummer? Nice language.
Also, why you think W needs comparison with Clinton is beyond me. When one has no case, one feels the need the point up others' flaws. But Clinton had a much more in-depth and wiser view of global policy than W. And oh yeah, various people in his administration weren't profiteering off of it all.
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Posted: 12/01/03 - 10:31 Post subject:
| HYPERASHEL wrote: | | Even though i do not think highly of Bush, this was good. Not certain how politically motivated but that was a huge risk if it was just for politics. |
:uno: But as commander in chief, it was his duty to go.
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msparks
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Posted: 12/01/03 - 10:33 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: |
| Bam Bam wrote: | | You know I thought the same thing about Somolia--but GW probably wasn't receiving a hummer when he decided to send troops into harms way..... |
Hummer? Nice language.
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