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jrjo
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 Posted: 12/09/05 - 10:49 Post subject: Global warming equals falling temps
This week's Time magazine
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1137645,00.html
Is Europe Due For a Big Chill?
By shutting down ocean currents, global warming could actually cool things off
By MICHAEL D. LEMONICK
| Quote: | Even in the dead of winter, long stretches of subzero temperatures are pretty rare in London. It may come as a surprise, therefore, to learn that the capital of Britain lies nearly 400 miles farther north than Montreal--or that Paris is farther from the equator than Fargo, N.D. The relatively balmy climate of much of Western Europe suggests that many countries in that region should lie well south of where they actually are, and that's all thanks to the Gulf Stream, a gigantic river of tropical water that flows up and across the Atlantic, warming the waters that lap figuratively against Europe's western shores. Turn it off, and the region's temperatures could plunge disastrously.
That was precisely the specter raised last week when scientists from Britain's National Oceanography Center reported in Nature that a component of the oceanic current system that drives the Gulf Stream has slowed by 30% since 1992. The likely, paradoxical cause? Global warming. While climate experts around the world caution that the data are too preliminary to be definitive, "the result," writes University of Hamburg climatologist Detlef Quadfasel in a commentary on the study that also appears in Nature, "is alarming."
It's also not entirely unexpected. Back in the 1980s, Wallace Broecker, a geophysicist at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, was trying to understand why temperatures in Greenland had plunged dramatically several times over the past 70,000 years. His theory: fresh water, perhaps from melting glaciers, might have diluted the ocean's salinity, making it harder for cooling water to sink and return southward to pick up more heat. That could shut off the entire "conveyor belt" of water that keeps Europe temperate. It's hard to determine precisely what would have caused such a big thaw 70,000 years back, but we do know that today global warming is causing more meltwater to stream into the North Atlantic from glaciers and older sea ice, which is lower in salt. Could the conveyor belt stop again?
Climate experts are not sure--and some have serious reservations about the new paper--mostly because the observed change is happening too fast. Computer models predict that it should take at least 100 years to weaken the ocean conveyor belt. What's more, nobody was even measuring those currents before 1957. Says Broecker: "We don't know how much the flow bounces around normally."
Clearly, pieces are still missing from the equation, so even the scientists who wrote the study counsel against panic. Rather than be worried, says co-author Stuart Cunningham, "people should be more interested and concerned. The ocean seems to have changed in a large enough way to be detectable." It's something, in other words, to keep an eye on. [The following text appears in a complex diagram -- see PDF or hardcopy of magazine] GLOBAL WARMING Increased rainfall as well as the melting of sea ice, glaciers and the Greenland ice sheet could add enormous amounts of freshwater to the Atlantic currents, reducing their salinity enough to THE GULF STREAM As the currents move warm surface water from the equator to the north, the water releases its heat into the atmosphere and cools. That heat loss makes the water saltier and very dense. By the time it reaches north of Iceland and east of Labrador, it becomes dense enough to sink
SINKING WATER In wintertime the cold, salty, dense water that originates in the Gulf Stream plunges down into the deep ocean, beginning the return of the conveyor belt. The deep current slowly flows back across the equator and into the Pacific, Indian and Southern oceans
MID-ATLANTIC CIRCULATION The addition of fresh, less salty water in the northern hemisphere essentially locks the flow of new warm water from the Tropics. That water heads east and south instead of pursuing the northward part of its normal route
>> Warm surface current >> 50% larger southward-moving mid-ocean recirculation of warm surface water
<< Deep cold current << 50% decrease in the southward transport of Lower North Atlantic Deep Water
ARRAY OF 22 MOORINGS HOW THE MEASUREMENTS WERE TAKEN In spring 2004, scientists deployed 22 moorings across a strip of the Atlantic about 25 north. Each mooring was equipped with numerous instruments that gathered all types of information, from temperature and salinity to current speed and direction
• Large buoyancy sphere • Current meter • Every two days a sensor crawls up and down 14,436 ft. of wire as it measures conductivity, temperature and depth • Current meter • Buoyancy spheres • Acoustic release • Anchor made of railway wheels
POOR CIRCULATION Recent findings suggest that the Atlantic Ocean currents that warm Northern Europe are weakening as a result of global warming and may ultimately mean frigid weather for Europe
The slowing of the Gulf Stream conveyor belt could mean that less warm water would reach the northeastern Atlantic
Sources: Nature; Professor Harry Bryden, University of Southampton; NASA; USGS |
Could it be that this planet was built to equalize itself out??
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HYPERASHEL
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Posted: 12/09/05 - 10:55 Post subject:
there was a documentary on the History Channel about a mini Ice age. apparently in the Middle ages there was an expansion of the glaciers and ice shelf that altered many of civilizations history. The Vikings explorations and coloinzations came to a halt and the innuit had to change from land animals as a base to sea animlas for thier main food source.
i've oftened wondered if this was a norm as well. mild fluctuations and corrections
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jrjo
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Posted: 12/09/05 - 11:00 Post subject:
| HYPERASHEL wrote: | | i've oftened wondered if this was a norm as well. mild fluctuations and corrections |
Rational thinking 
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Pug
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Posted: 12/09/05 - 13:29 Post subject:
| HYPERASHEL wrote: | there was a documentary on the History Channel about a mini Ice age. apparently in the Middle ages there was an expansion of the glaciers and ice shelf that altered many of civilizations history. The Vikings explorations and coloinzations came to a halt and the innuit had to change from land animals as a base to sea animlas for thier main food source.
i've oftened wondered if this was a norm as well. mild fluctuations and corrections |
Very likely. I ended up not recording that doc (though if it comes back on, I probably will), but it makes sense. I don't think anything that is happening on this planet hasn't happened before.
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MastrBrewr
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Posted: 12/09/05 - 14:27 Post subject:
| Pug wrote: | | HYPERASHEL wrote: | there was a documentary on the History Channel about a mini Ice age. apparently in the Middle ages there was an expansion of the glaciers and ice shelf that altered many of civilizations history. The Vikings explorations and coloinzations came to a halt and the innuit had to change from land animals as a base to sea animlas for thier main food source.
i've oftened wondered if this was a norm as well. mild fluctuations and corrections |
Very likely. I ended up not recording that doc (though if it comes back on, I probably will), but it makes sense. I don't think anything that is happening on this planet hasn't happened before. |
I watched it thought it was pretty good.
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airehead
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Posted: 12/09/05 - 15:35 Post subject:
I have read that while one Pole is expanding the other is shrinking.
I think it's a way of levelling out.
I also read that meteorologists don't necessarily believe our recent storm season was caused by global warming, but rather normal events.
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HYPERASHEL
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Posted: 12/09/05 - 16:17 Post subject:
| airehead wrote: | I have read that while one Pole is expanding the other is shrinking.
I think it's a way of levelling out.
I also read that meteorologists don't necessarily believe our recent storm season was caused by global warming, but rather normal events. |
i havne't read that. got a link to that by chance to share. i'd love to read that one too.
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airehead
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Posted: 12/09/05 - 16:54 Post subject:
| HYPERASHEL wrote: | | airehead wrote: | I have read that while one Pole is expanding the other is shrinking.
I think it's a way of levelling out.
I also read that meteorologists don't necessarily believe our recent storm season was caused by global warming, but rather normal events. |
i havne't read that. got a link to that by chance to share. i'd love to read that one too. |
Which one? Can't find the exact one anymore, but here is a similar one:
| Quote: | Dr. William Gray, a Colorado State University meteorologist, considered one of the fathers of modern tropical cyclone science, says worldwide weather records were too inadequate for a thorough examination of trends. "The people who have a bias in favor of the argument that humans are making the globe warmer will push any data that suggests humans are making hurricanes worse, but it just isn't so. These are natural cycles," he told the New York Times.
In a 2001 paper in Science, by Stanley Goldenberg of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Association (NOAA), it was explained that the Atlantic goes through decades-long stretches where it creates extra hurricanes, while there are equally long lulls where the number of hurricanes is low.
Over recent decades we have been in a lull period. According to Professor John Molinari, of Albany's State University of New York: "We were way below normal levels for hurricanes in the 1970s, '80s, and '90s." Now he says it appears that Goldenberg and his colleagues were right, and that the east coast of the United States is in a period of increased hurricane activity that could last 20 years or more."
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