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 Posted: 02/27/04 - 10:06 Post subject:
| purple hayes wrote: | | Can someone fill me in on how other major world religions view gay marriage? |
Gaydists and the Homoish both approve of it... 
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 10:08 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage rights? Your thoughts?
| gretriever wrote: | | sonnylax wrote: | | If gay weddings are approved in say California, would Texas have to recognize them? |
If Texas has to recognize a conventional marraige performed in California, then it would have to recognize a gay one. If it didn't, polygamy would be the "law of the land." |
That's partly what I'm getting at.... If (for example) Texas doesn't allow it, but California does.... Would Texas have to recognize a gay married couple's rights (and corresponding legal/financial obligations) if someone moved from Cali? 
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 10:13 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage rights? Your thoughts?
| sonnylax wrote: | | gretriever wrote: | | sonnylax wrote: | | If gay weddings are approved in say California, would Texas have to recognize them? |
If Texas has to recognize a conventional marraige performed in California, then it would have to recognize a gay one. If it didn't, polygamy would be the "law of the land." |
That's partly what I'm getting at.... If (for example) Texas doesn't allow it, but California does.... Would Texas have to recognize a gay married couple's rights (and corresponding legal/financial obligations) if someone moved from Cali? |
Based on precedent and interpretation, an unbiased court would probably say they would.
Of course, much as people say they leave their feelings at the door, everyone's - judicial, legislative, executive and bureaucratic (behold! the fourth branch of government! starring yours truly! *snort*) - decisions are painted by their beliefs, experiences, and unpbringing. On any sort of law or issue, not just this one.
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 10:34 Post subject:
i almost want to say:
gay couples, lesbian couples -- come on in. the water's fine. and, by the way  misery loves company.
almost, but i won't.
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 10:36 Post subject:
| purple hayes wrote: | | Can someone fill me in on how other major world religions view gay marriage? |
I found the following regarding Islam...
Treatment of homosexuals within Islamic countries:
According to a pamphlet produced by Al-Fatiha, there is a consensus among Islamic scholars that all humans are naturally heterosexual. 5 Homosexuality is seen by scholars to be a sinful and perverted deviation from the norm. All Islamic schools of thought and jurisprudence consider gay acts to be unlawful. They differ in terms of penalty: The Hanafite school (currently seen mainly in South and Eastern Asia) teaches that no physical punishment is warranted.
The Hanabalites, (widely followed in the Arab world) teach that severe punishment is warranted.
The Sha'fischool of thought (also seen in the Arab world) requires a minimum of 4 adult male witnesses before a person can be found guilty of a homosexual act.
Al-Fatiha estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since their revolution in 1979. 10 public executions of homosexuals have been performed in Afghanistan by the Taliban army.
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 10:58 Post subject:
| brie k wrote: | | purple hayes wrote: | | Can someone fill me in on how other major world religions view gay marriage? |
I found the following regarding Islam...
Treatment of homosexuals within Islamic countries:
According to a pamphlet produced by Al-Fatiha, there is a consensus among Islamic scholars that all humans are naturally heterosexual. 5 Homosexuality is seen by scholars to be a sinful and perverted deviation from the norm. All Islamic schools of thought and jurisprudence consider gay acts to be unlawful. They differ in terms of penalty: The Hanafite school (currently seen mainly in South and Eastern Asia) teaches that no physical punishment is warranted.
The Hanabalites, (widely followed in the Arab world) teach that severe punishment is warranted.
The Sha'fischool of thought (also seen in the Arab world) requires a minimum of 4 adult male witnesses before a person can be found guilty of a homosexual act.
Al-Fatiha estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since their revolution in 1979. 10 public executions of homosexuals have been performed in Afghanistan by the Taliban army. |
 So, it pretty much sucks to be a gay Islamic guy.....
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 11:02 Post subject: Re: Gay marriage rights? Your thoughts?
| gretriever wrote: | | sonnylax wrote: | | gretriever wrote: | | sonnylax wrote: | | If gay weddings are approved in say California, would Texas have to recognize them? |
If Texas has to recognize a conventional marraige performed in California, then it would have to recognize a gay one. If it didn't, polygamy would be the "law of the land." |
That's partly what I'm getting at.... If (for example) Texas doesn't allow it, but California does.... Would Texas have to recognize a gay married couple's rights (and corresponding legal/financial obligations) if someone moved from Cali? |
Based on precedent and interpretation, an unbiased court would probably say they would. |
I have major issues here.
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 11:45 Post subject:
I don't see what the big deal is. A man wants to marry the person that he loves. A woman wants to marry the person that they love. Sometimes they've been in love for very much longer than any heterosexual couple even THOUGHT of being. They are incredibly more committed, IMHO.
If government is going to say homosexuals cannot marry one another, Why don't they make it against the law for people of different races to get married? Why don't they make it against the law for people of different religions to get married?
I married my husband in Indiana. Our marriage is valid in Oklahoma because we have a license that says we were legally married. If this applies to me, a non-homosexual woman, it applies to a homosexual woman who married her partner.
A constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriages teaches our children bigotry and hatred. They would be learning it in the schools as a part of history...because it would be a part of our constitution.
While we're at it...let's get a constitutional amendment to segregate homosexuals too from the rest of the population. Let's change the voting laws so they can't vote either.
You know what else? What happens if this stupid thing actually passes? Will homosexuality in general be in conflict with our constitution? Will it be treason punishable by death?
I say to everyone who believes homosexuality is wrong grow up and accept change. In the absence of that...why don't we just kill all homosexuals and this won't be an issue any more.
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 11:53 Post subject:
My children are being taught right from wrong. At least I have the guts to stand for something. Sometimes taking a stand against something means getting grief.
I am willing to take grief for what I believe in. I am not going to sit hear and have liberal softees keep calling me names like intolerant and a bigot.
I am neither. I do not care what race a person is, crap people in the early part of the 20th century had a tough time of people marrying outside of their ethnic group but the did not "tolerate" homosexuality.
I am tired of this homosexual crap being thrown at my kids all of the time and if it means for me being called a bigot then what who is calling who names.
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 11:53 Post subject:
But this brings up the slippery slope. What would stop those who want polygamy from demanding it be realized? Those who want sex with the underaged? Where does it end? No laws at all?
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 11:53 Post subject:
| Ms. Jenn wrote: | | A constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriages teaches our children bigotry and hatred. |
Just because someone doesn't think homosexuality is right/moral doesn't make them hateful and bigoted.
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 11:53 Post subject:
[quote="ShannonG"] | brie k wrote: | | purple hayes wrote: | | Can someone fill me in on how other major world religions view gay marriage? |
I found the following regarding Islam...
Treatment of homosexuals within Islamic countries:
The Sha'fischool of thought (also seen in the Arab world) requires a minimum of 4 adult male witnesses before a person can be found guilty of a homosexual act.
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So, it pretty much sucks to be a gay Islamic guy..... |
Did you mean to phrase it that way.....
As for the 4 male witnesses--would they then be accused of being gay too..????
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 11:56 Post subject:
| rtpd113 wrote: | My children are being taught right from wrong. At least I have the guts to stand for something. Sometimes taking a stand against something means getting grief.
I am willing to take grief for what I believe in. I am not going to sit hear and have liberal softees keep calling me names like intolerant and a bigot.
I am neither. I do not care what race a person is, crap people in the early part of the 20th century had a tough time of people marrying outside of their ethnic group but the did not "tolerate" homosexuality.
I am tired of this homosexual crap being thrown at my kids all of the time and if it means for me being called a bigot then what who is calling who names. |
I'll give you a big ol  for that, though i'm still conflicted on exactly what i think about homosexuality in general.
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Posted: 02/27/04 - 12:00 Post subject:
| Ms. Jenn wrote: | I don't see what the big deal is. A man wants to marry the person that he loves. A woman wants to marry the person that they love. Sometimes they've been in love for very much longer than any heterosexual couple even THOUGHT of being. They are incredibly more committed, IMHO.
If government is going to say homosexuals cannot marry one another, Why don't they make it against the law for people of different races to get married? Why don't they make it against the law for people of different religions to get married?
I married my husband in Indiana. Our marriage is valid in Oklahoma because we have a license that says we were legally married. If this applies to me, a non-homosexual woman, it applies to a homosexual woman who married her partner.
A constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriages teaches our children bigotry and hatred. They would be learning it in the schools as a part of history...because it would be a part of our constitution.
While we're at it...let's get a constitutional amendment to segregate homosexuals too from the rest of the population. Let's change the voting laws so they can't vote either.
You know what else? What happens if this stupid thing actually passes? Will homosexuality in general be in conflict with our constitution? Will it be treason punishable by death?
I say to everyone who believes homosexuality is wrong grow up and accept change. |
I'm with you!
This is exactly how I would say things.
Good job!
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