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 Posted: 10/27/04 - 16:51 Post subject:
| Sahara wrote: | | Quote: | | Kerry, on the other hand, is perceived as a multilingual intellectual who speaks with an expansive vocabulary, proper grammar and syntax. |
He's not only perceived this way he is this way.
I don't think being an intellectual is a bad thing for anyone no matter their job (or elected position). |
It's certainly preferable to using poor grammar, not caring to educate oneself, and speaking like an itinerant hilljack.
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Posted: 10/27/04 - 17:23 Post subject:
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It's certainly preferable to using poor grammar, not caring to educate oneself, and speaking like an itinerant hilljack. |
Yep, Yale and Harvard are sucko schools. Anyone can get in.... 
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Posted: 10/27/04 - 22:31 Post subject:
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Yep, Yale and Harvard are sucko schools. Anyone can get in.... |
But with enough money and family connections, one can get in anywhere, no? I feel that higher education should be a right, not a privilege. Why should those born into wealth receive what the middle class cannot automatically afford? And what about those on the edge? Saddled with loans that they cannot re-pay as their jobs get farmed out overseas, but more worthwhile to our country's productiivity than a lazy, drug addict, drunken driving moron whose parents can simply afford to send him to an Ivy League school? Why is the best standard in higher education only available afffordably to the ultra-rich or the poverty-stricken, and not for those who cannot or do not want or deserve to be burdened with a load of debt?
Let's face it. You and I both have student loans, and have been fortunate enough to have been born with enough brains to get partial scholarships. Nonetheless, why should we be carrying debt around because we actually worked for a living and couldn't qualify for government sponsored grants, yet absolutley moronic wealthy jackasses get an education at the best schools that they can't even begin to appreciate? DOesn't that make you the least bit upset? It certainly has that effect on me.
(You know how I feel about this topic. Higher education should be available to those who deserve it, not to those who have inherited the money to afford it. In my opinion, that's shrub, in a nutshell.)
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 07:21 Post subject:
No, it doesn't upset me because I was willing to PAY for an education, just like all the other things I want that I am/was willing to earn, not get a free ride handed to me. Yes, I have debt, but you know what? So do a lot of other people and all they have to show for their debt is a lot of pretty clothes, cars, yada yada....meaningless "things" but that's what they felt was important to them. Education was important to me and I don't mind paying for it. It's about choices, IMHO. There are ways to get an education if you are willing to accept the responsibility and work for it.
And whose "right" is it to decide who "deserves" an education? I know plenty of college educated people who aren't making any particular contributions to society or using the degrees they did get, and I know plenty of people that never got an education, whether they wanted to or not, and are still worthy contributors to society. 
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 08:25 Post subject:
Just remember this about the French:
They love Jerry Lewis, and not for the work he does for muscular dystrophy.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 08:51 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: | | What is amazing about my experience with French people (2 summers abroad in college) was that they do look down on America as a whole |
It's not just France, dude.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 08:58 Post subject:
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It's not just France, dude. |
Many other countries feel that Americans are all loud, obnoxious idiots....obviously, some of us are, but it is unfair to classify all of us under this unflattering description...just as it is unfair to say that all French are snobs.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 09:11 Post subject:
| phillycat wrote: | | it is unfair to say that all French are snobs. |
Having also spent time there, this is a fairly accurate statement about Parisians. Once you move out of Paris, it's a completely different story. The people in the south are extremely nice and polite.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 10:33 Post subject:
| phillycat wrote: | | Many other countries feel that Americans are all loud, obnoxious idiots....obviously, some of us are, but it is unfair to classify all of us under this unflattering description...just as it is unfair to say that all French are snobs. |
Oh, absolutely...I've been on vacation around some of those loud, obnoxious idiots.  It's often a few really rotten apples that spoil it for the barrel, because negativity leaves more of a lasting impression than good experience, or at least that's often what's related more. Think about it from a bad customer service POV: aren't you going to tell more people that you had lousy service somewhere than good?
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 11:57 Post subject:
| elkid wrote: |
Having also spent time there, this is a fairly accurate statement about Parisians. Once you move out of Paris, it's a completely different story. The people in the south are extremely nice and polite. |
This was exactly my experience too.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 12:31 Post subject:
I really don't care what the french, germans or anyone else thinks about us as a country. If it wasn't for the good ol' U. S. of A. none of them would be in a position to whine openly anyways.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 12:41 Post subject:
| robp wrote: | | I really don't care what the french, germans or anyone else thinks about us as a country. If it wasn't for the good ol' U. S. of A. none of them would be in a position to whine openly anyways. |
Lest the French forget the men and women buried in Normandy, Arlington and other places (most of which could not even vote at the times of their deaths) who fought, bled, and died to preserve freedom.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 12:42 Post subject:
| robp wrote: | | I really don't care what the french, germans or anyone else thinks about us as a country. If it wasn't for the good ol' U. S. of A. none of them would be in a position to whine openly anyways. |
It isn't my intention to diminish the sacrifices of our servicemen, but if it wasn't for the French in the late 1700's, we might not have a country.
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Posted: 10/28/04 - 12:54 Post subject:
| kristin31 wrote: |
But with enough money and family connections, one can get in anywhere, no? I feel that higher education should be a right, not a privilege. Why should those born into wealth receive what the middle class cannot automatically afford? And what about those on the edge? Saddled with loans that they cannot re-pay as their jobs get farmed out overseas, but more worthwhile to our country's productiivity than a lazy, drug addict, drunken driving moron whose parents can simply afford to send him to an Ivy League school? Why is the best standard in higher education only available afffordably to the ultra-rich or the poverty-stricken, and not for those who cannot or do not want or deserve to be burdened with a load of debt?
Let's face it. You and I both have student loans, and have been fortunate enough to have been born with enough brains to get partial scholarships. Nonetheless, why should we be carrying debt around because we actually worked for a living and couldn't qualify for government sponsored grants, yet absolutley moronic wealthy jackasses get an education at the best schools that they can't even begin to appreciate? DOesn't that make you the least bit upset? It certainly has that effect on me.
(You know how I feel about this topic. Higher education should be available to those who deserve it, not to those who have inherited the money to afford it. In my opinion, that's shrub, in a nutshell.) |
the problem with your reasoning is the assumption that the "moron" from wealthy parents all have parents "willing" to pay for their moronic son/daughter's education. If they aren't then that privileged "moron" is more "screwed" than most. He/she can't even qualify for a loan.
And it doesn't even take much to be in that situation. I, myself, being 8th child and my father approaching retirement age, had assets after working 40+ as a laborer and I did not qualify for grants or loan. They said my father could afford to pay my tuition. yeah, right  I was floored, my younger sister became "independent" that very day
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Posted: 06/28/06 - 17:42 Post subject:
well for cheese eating surrender monkies they put on a good bike race
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