First a Wall -- Then Amnesty
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sonnylax
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 Posted: 04/07/06 - 17:56 Post subject: First a Wall -- Then Amnesty
A very good article, in my not so humble opinion that deals with the praticality of the current border situation. I don't like the idea of rewarding people who broke the law, but........
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By Charles Krauthammer
WASHINGTON -- Every sensible immigration policy has two objectives: (1) to regain control of our borders so that it is we who decide who enters, and (2) to find a way to normalize and legalize the situation of the 11 million illegals among us.
Start with the second. No one of good will wants to see these 11 million suffer. But the obvious problem is that legalization creates an enormous incentive for new illegals to come.
We say, of course, that this will be the very last, very final, never-again, we're-not-kidding-this-time amnesty. The problem is that we say exactly the same thing with every new reform. And everyone knows it's phony.
What do you think was said when in 1986 we passed the Simpson-Mazzoli immigration reform? It turned into the largest legalization program in American history -- nearly 3 million got permanent residency. And we are now back at it again with 11 million new illegals in our midst.
How can it be otherwise? We already have a river of people coming every day knowing they're going to be illegal and perhaps even exploited. They come nonetheless. The newest amnesty -- the ``earned legalization'' now being dangled in front of them by proposed Senate legislation -- can only increase the flow.
Those who think employer sanctions will control immigration are dreaming. Employer sanctions were the heart of Simpson-Mazzoli. They are not only useless, they are pernicious. They turn employers into enforcers of border control. That is the job of government, not landscapers.
The irony of this whole debate, which is bitterly splitting the country along partisan, geographic and ethnic lines, is that there is a silver bullet that would not just solve the problem but also create a national consensus behind it.
My proposition is the following: a vast number of Americans who oppose legalization and fear new waves of immigration would change their minds if we could radically reduce new -- i.e., future -- illegal immigration.
Forget employer sanctions. Build a barrier. It is simply ridiculous to say it cannot be done. If one fence won't do it, then build a second 100 yards behind it. And then build a road for patrols in between. Put cameras. Put sensors. Put out lots of patrols.
Can't be done? Israel's border fence has been extraordinarily successful in keeping out potential infiltrators who are far more determined than mere immigrants. Nor have very many North Koreans crossed into South Korea in the last 50 years.
Of course it will be ugly. So are the concrete barriers to keep truck bombs from driving into the White House. But sometimes necessity trumps aesthetics. And don't tell me that this is our Berlin Wall. When you build a wall to keep people in, that's a prison. When you build a wall to keep people out, that's an expression of sovereignty. The fence around your house is a perfectly legitimate expression of your desire to control who comes into your house to eat, sleep and use the facilities. It imprisons no one.
Of course, no barrier will be foolproof. But it doesn't have to be. It simply has to reduce the river of illegals to a manageable trickle. Once we can do that, everything becomes possible -- most especially, humanizing the situation of our 11 million existing illegals.
If the government can demonstrate that it can control future immigration, there will be infinitely less resistance to dealing generously with the residual population of past immigration. And, as Mickey Kaus and others have suggested, that may require that the two provisions be sequenced. First, radical border control by physical means. Then shortly thereafter, radical legalization of those already here. To achieve national consensus on legalization, we will need a short lag time between the two provisions, perhaps a year or two, to demonstrate to the skeptics that the current wave of illegals is indeed the last.
This is no time for mushy compromise. A solution requires two acts of national will: the ugly act of putting up a fence and the supremely generous act of absorbing as ultimately full citizens those who broke our laws to come to America.
This is not a compromise meant to appease both sides without achieving anything. It is not some piece of hybrid legislation that arbitrarily divides illegals into those with five-year-old ``roots" in America and those without, or some such mischief-making nonsense.
This is full amnesty (earned with back taxes and learning English and the like) with full border control. If we do it right, not only will we solve the problem, we will get it done as one nation. |
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Posted: 04/07/06 - 21:48 Post subject:
And, um, who precisely would be building this wall again? The same people we rely on for all the gruntwork in this country. Yet every time I see this plan, I never see the part where it says they have to build a giant trampoline that can hold 5000 people at a time so when the fence is done, all the people who built it can be quite literally tossed out.
Go live in Israel for a while and express to me on your return that you'd want to continue living in a country like that. My country isn't war-torn yet and until then I'd rather live civilly.
How come no one ever talks about a fence to the North? You think Al-Qaeda doesn't realize it can get here from Toronto? It's not security anyone is after, it's bigotry.
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Posted: 04/08/06 - 07:32 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | And, um, who precisely would be building this wall again? The same people we rely on for all the gruntwork in this country. Yet every time I see this plan, I never see the part where it says they have to build a giant trampoline that can hold 5000 people at a time so when the fence is done, all the people who built it can be quite literally tossed out.
Go live in Israel for a while and express to me on your return that you'd want to continue living in a country like that. My country isn't war-torn yet and until then I'd rather live civilly.
How come no one ever talks about a fence to the North? You think Al-Qaeda doesn't realize it can get here from Toronto? It's not security anyone is after, it's bigotry. |
Bigotry? What is bigoted about wanting to send an ILLEGAL immigrant back home?
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Posted: 04/08/06 - 10:06 Post subject:
| robp wrote: | | Gogirlgo wrote: | And, um, who precisely would be building this wall again? The same people we rely on for all the gruntwork in this country. Yet every time I see this plan, I never see the part where it says they have to build a giant trampoline that can hold 5000 people at a time so when the fence is done, all the people who built it can be quite literally tossed out.
Go live in Israel for a while and express to me on your return that you'd want to continue living in a country like that. My country isn't war-torn yet and until then I'd rather live civilly.
How come no one ever talks about a fence to the North? You think Al-Qaeda doesn't realize it can get here from Toronto? It's not security anyone is after, it's bigotry. |
Bigotry? What is bigoted about wanting to send an ILLEGAL immigrant back home? |
When the argument is "security," and we only need to "secure" the southern border, it's bigotry.
Not to get all technical on you but there's no such thing as an illegal immigrant. If one has immigrant status, he's legal. The people of whom you're speaking are called undocumented, or illegal, aliens.
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Posted: 04/08/06 - 10:40 Post subject:
If you think you want a border, try building one along the intercoastal waterway. Many, many people arrive here evry day via boat. Some build their own and some are smuggled.
I personally saw two such boats on the beach at The Moorings when I worked there. (Here's the link www.themooringsvillage.com). This is not one of the more out of the way covert places. It's a beautiful resort.
Boats can come up in the middle of the night. The irony to me is that depending upon your nationality, you are secure under the wet-foot-dry foot law. You are also given benefits of either $7,000 for 8 years or $8,000 for seven years (G3 would know for sure) and free medical care. The only reason that really irks me is that we are still paying off over $20,000 (our 20% co-pay) from Larry's surgery. If you come from another country which is in far worse shape than the first, in my opinion you are screwed and sent back home if you are caught.
So how do we build this wall around the FLorida Keys and the ocean? Becuase believe me, if a terrorist wanted to sneak into the Keys via boat, there are hundreds of islands that don't even make a map which are easy enough to discover and hide.
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Posted: 04/08/06 - 13:08 Post subject:
| kristin31 wrote: | | If you think you want a border, try building one along the intercoastal waterway. Many, many people arrive here evry day via boat. Some build their own and some are smuggled. |
10+ million people haven't illegally immigrated to the US over the last 15 or so year via water/boat. It's far easier to walk/run across an unsecured border then swim/boat.
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Posted: 04/08/06 - 13:25 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: | | kristin31 wrote: | | If you think you want a border, try building one along the intercoastal waterway. Many, many people arrive here evry day via boat. Some build their own and some are smuggled. |
10+ million people haven't illegally immigrated to the US over the last 15 or so year via water/boat. It's far easier to walk/run across an unsecured border then swim/boat. |
I think her point is it's far easier if you're Cuban than if you're Haitian.
How come Canadians don't come here every night? Oh, yeah, b/c they have jobs and they're not a developing country. Security, my ass.
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Posted: 04/08/06 - 18:15 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | sonnylax wrote: | | kristin31 wrote: | | If you think you want a border, try building one along the intercoastal waterway. Many, many people arrive here evry day via boat. Some build their own and some are smuggled. |
10+ million people haven't illegally immigrated to the US over the last 15 or so year via water/boat. It's far easier to walk/run across an unsecured border then swim/boat. |
I think her point is it's far easier if you're Cuban than if you're Haitian.
How come Canadians don't come here every night? Oh, yeah, b/c they have jobs and they're not a developing country. Security, my ass. |
That is part of my point, but also that if you want to get into this country and you are so concerned about terrorists, how do you block this place off? If that's really the intention and not just bigotry. Because it is really damned easy to sneak into the Keys. Same as Canada. Is it a security issue, or something else?
The resort for whom I used to work (same owner as my husband's restaurant) would hire people who were sometimes "questionable". (Meaning, you get their ID, SS card, and plug everything into the payroll system. If the SS # is not valid, the employee had two weeks to provide an alternate valid card, or lose their job. As long as they supplied valid ID, what are you supposed to do? No offense, but for what my credentials were and what they were paying me (about $15,000 less than OH) I was not doing SH$T as far as detective work.. Their problem. I've learned a lot down here. I am smarter than most and I now know how to say "NO" to a plethora of things. I work for what you pay me. Essentially, down here you would be better off with an illegal immigrant rather than me, although I have a very decent education, CPA certification, and am Microsoft Office Expert User certified to to teach in Excel and WOrd and Windows. I was told at one job, "We pay you a damn good salary for living in the KEys. You have to be here at 9 AM." You know what. FU you, bitachtika. I have a better education and am smarter than you. $45, grand a year for 60 hour weeks is what I made 8 years ago. You can kiss my ass.
You pay me like crap, and offer me a boring mindless job with no chance of advancement and I screw off and don't care. It's a shame, because I am intelligent, motivated, and willing to help others learn things here as far as technological knowledge. I had one employee at the resort who was so happy that I knew Excel. She wanted to learn. I helped her. She was also not from this country, but legal, and wanted to learn. SHe was embarrased of her English pronuinciation, but she was actually pretty much on the ball.
It's employers that are similar to what exist down here that are causing the problem. I am working on an editorial to snap back at these whiny business owners who b4tch because "we can't find decent help. no one will stay. No one will work."
Hello, ASSHAT! Who is going to work for you when you don't pay them what they are worth, offer no benefits and no decent career opportunities. Seriously. No one down here even knows what a financial systems analyst, so they are obviously so ignorant they don't need one. There are enough CPA firms down here, but they pay between $15 - 18 an hour. Please! I am worth twice that. I worked very hard to get where I was. Add to that the insult of 50% higher living expenses for a POS concrete crap...and...
. As long as you don't pay what the Republicans call "legal" people, otherwise known as citizens a decent wage, you are going to have areas like this (resort towns, restaurants, hotels) where people will hire what is cheapest. They are fat, rich, Republican asses, who think that they are above the law.
Won't it be funny if the new bill gets passed and no one will work for them and they can't hire cheap labor anymore? I will laugh, and laugh, and laugh my ass off at these idiots.
This whole wall thing is NOT about security, and won't these stupid idiots be whing like little spoiled kids at naptime when they find that they have effectively stabbed themselves in the back by eliminating their cheap labor? Who will wash their fat asses now? Or do their fat wives' pedicures. I am going laugh so hard if this gets passed and then these fat suits whine.
I am so glad I am going to work for myself once we move. And, if another "shrub" (I call him that because he's not even worthy of the term "bush", just a usels, chimpanzee-faced smirking baboon with an IQ of less) gets elected I am moving to Italy. I will teach Larry Italian. If he doesn't like it I will go by myself. I am so sick of the moronic government and the lack of thought behind any of their decisions.
So, I guess my point is is that the very people bitching about the "illegals" under the giuse of security (which is total ship, as we all know) will be the same to suffer and whine when Maria and her kids can't clean their house anymore. Too bad, so sad.
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Posted: 04/08/06 - 18:15 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | sonnylax wrote: | | kristin31 wrote: | | If you think you want a border, try building one along the intercoastal waterway. Many, many people arrive here evry day via boat. Some build their own and some are smuggled. |
10+ million people haven't illegally immigrated to the US over the last 15 or so year via water/boat. It's far easier to walk/run across an unsecured border then swim/boat. |
I think her point is it's far easier if you're Cuban than if you're Haitian.
How come Canadians don't come here every night? Oh, yeah, b/c they have jobs and they're not a developing country. Security, my ass. |
That is part of my point, but also that if you want to get into this country and you are so concerned about terrorists, how do you block this place off? If that's really the intention and not just bigotry. Because it is really damned easy to sneak into the Keys. Same as Canada. Is it a security issue, or something else?
The resort for whom I used to work (same owner as my husband's restaurant) would hire people who were sometimes "questionable". (Meaning, you get their ID, SS card, and plug everything into the payroll system. If the SS # is not valid, the employee had two weeks to provide an alternate valid card, or lose their job. As long as they supplied valid ID, what are you supposed to do? No offense, but for what my credentials were and what they were paying me (about $15,000 less than OH) I was not doing SH$T as far as detective work.. Their problem. I've learned a lot down here. I smarter than most and I now know how to say "NO" to
a plethora of things. I work for what you pay me. Essentially, down here you would be better off with an illegal immigrant rather than me, although I have a very decent education, CPA certification, and am Microsoft Office Expert User certified to to teach in Excel and WOrd and Windows. I was told at one job, "We pay you a damn good salary for living in the KEys. You have to be here at 9 AM." You know what. FU you, bitachtika. I have a better education and am smarter than you. $45, grand a year for 60 hour weeks is what I made 8 years ago. You can kiss my ass.
You pay me like crap, and offer me a boring mindless job with no chance of advancement and I screw off and don't care. It's a shjame, because I am intelligent, motivated, and willing to help others learn things here as far as technological knowledge. I had one employee at the resort who was so happy that I knew Excel. She wanted to learn. I helped her. She was also not from this country, but legal, and wanted to learn. SHe was embarrased of her English pronuinciation, but she was actually pretty much on the ball.
It's employers that are similar to what exist down here that are causing the problem. I am working on an editorial to snap back at these whiny business owners who b4tch because "we can't find decent help. no one will stay. No one will work."
Hello, ASSHAT! Who is going to work for you when you don't pay them what they are worth, offer no benefits and no decent career opportunities. Seriously. No one down here even knows what a financial systems analyst, so they are obviously so ignorant they don't need one. There are enough CPA firms down here, but they pay between $15 - 18 an hour. Please! I am worth twice that. I worked very hard to get where I was. Add to that the insult of 50% higher living expenses for a POS concrete crap...and...
. As long as you don't pay what the Republicans call "legal" people, otherwise known as citizens a decent wage, you are going to have areas like this (resort towns, restaurants, hotels) where people will hire what is cheapest. They are fat, rich, Republican asses, who think that they are above the law.
Won't it be funny if the new bill gets passed and no one will work for them and they can't hire cheap labor anymore? I will laugh, and laugh, and laugh my ass off at these idiots.
This whole wall thing is NOT about security, and won't these stupid idiots be whing like little spoiled kids at naptime when they find that they have effectively stabbed themselves in the back by eliminatin their cheap labor? Who will wash their fat asses now? Or do their fat wives' pedicures. I am going laugh so hard if this gets passed and then these fat suits whine.
I am so glad I am going to work for myself once we move. And, if another "shrub" (I call him that because he's not even worthy of the term "bush", just a usels, chimpanzee-faced smirking baboon with an IQ of less) gets elected I am moving to Italy. I will teach Larry Italian. If he doesn't like it I will go by myself. I am so sick of the moronic government and the lack of thought behind any of their decisions.
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Posted: 04/08/06 - 18:16 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | | sonnylax wrote: | | kristin31 wrote: | | If you think you want a border, try building one along the intercoastal waterway. Many, many people arrive here evry day via boat. Some build their own and some are smuggled. |
10+ million people haven't illegally immigrated to the US over the last 15 or so year via water/boat. It's far easier to walk/run across an unsecured border then swim/boat. |
I think her point is it's far easier if you're Cuban than if you're Haitian.
How come Canadians don't come here every night? Oh, yeah, b/c they have jobs and they're not a developing country. Security, my ass. |
That is part of my point, but also that if you want to get into this country and you are so concerned about terrorists, how do you block this place off? If that's really the intention and not just bigotry. Because it is really damned easy to sneak into the Keys. Same as Canada. Is it a security issue, or something else?
The resort for whom I used to work (same owner as my husband's restaurant) would hire people who were sometimes "questionable". (Meaning, you get their ID, SS card, and plug everything into the payroll system. If the SS # is not valid, the employee had two weeks to provide an alternate valid card, or lose their job. As long as they supplied valid ID, what are you supposed to do? No offense, but for what my credentials were and what they were paying me (about $15,000 less than OH) I was not doing SH$T as far as detective work.. Their problem. I've learned a lot down here. I smarter than most and I now know how to say "NO" to
a plethora of things. I work for what you pay me. Essentially, down here you would be better off with an illegal immigrant rather than me, although I have a very decent education, CPA certification, and am Microsoft Office Expert User certified to to teach in Excel and WOrd and Windows. I was told at one job, "We pay you a damn good salary for living in the KEys. You have to be here at 9 AM." You know what. FU you, bitachtika. I have a better education and am smarter than you. $45, grand a year for 60 hour weeks is what I made 8 years ago. You can kiss my ass.
You pay me like crap, and offer me a boring mindless job with no chance of advancement and I screw off and don't care. It's a shame, because I am intelligent, motivated, and willing to help others learn things here as far as technological knowledge. I had one employee at the resort who was so happy that I knew Excel. She wanted to learn. I helped her. She was also not from this country, but legal, and wanted to learn. SHe was embarrased of her English pronunciation, but she was actually pretty much on the ball.
It's employers that are similar to what exist down here that are causing the problem. I am working on an editorial to snap back at these whiny business owners who b4tch because "we can't find decent help. no one will stay. No one will work." (edited to add that I am much more fussy about my spelling when I write something that is going for publication).
Hello, ASSHAT! Who is going to work for you when you don't pay them what they are worth, offer no benefits and no decent career opportunities. Seriously. No one down here even knows what a financial systems analyst is, so they obviously don't need one. There are enough CPA firms down here, but they pay between $15 - 18 an hour. Please! I am worth twice that. I worked very hard to get where I was. Add to that the insult of 50% higher living expenses for a POS concrete crap...and...
. As long as you don't pay what the Republicans call "legal" people, otherwise known as citizens a decent wage, you are going to have areas like this (resort towns, restaurants, hotels) where people will hire what is cheapest. They are fat, rich, Republican asses, who think that they are above the law.
Won't it be funny if the new bill gets passed and no one will work for them and they can't hire cheap labor anymore? I will laugh, and laugh, and laugh my ass off at these idiots.
This whole wall thing is NOT about security, and won't these stupid idiots be whing like little spoiled kids at naptime when they find that they have effectively stabbed themselves in the back by eliminating their cheap labor? Who will massage their fat asses now? Or do their wives' pedicures? I am going laugh so hard if this gets passed and then these fat suits whine.
I am so glad I am going to work for myself once we move. And, if another "shrub" (I call him that because he's not even worthy of the term "bush", just a uselss, chimpanzee-faced smirking baboon with an IQ of less) gets elected I am moving to Italy. I will teach Larry Italian. If he doesn't like it I will go by myself. I am so sick of the moronic government and the lack of thought behind any of their decisions.
Sorry to be so emotional. I am disgusted by lot of what I see down here. ALso disgusted by our current government.
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Posted: 04/08/06 - 18:45 Post subject:
| sonnylax wrote: | | kristin31 wrote: | | If you think you want a border, try building one along the intercoastal waterway. Many, many people arrive here evry day via boat. Some build their own and some are smuggled. |
10+ million people haven't illegally immigrated to the US over the last 15 or so year via water/boat. It's far easier to walk/run across an unsecured border then swim/boat. |
BTW, you don't live here. You don't see and read about the people arriving by boat each day. Have you ever seen people crash a wooden boat held together by pitch with a wooden rudder to steer, jump and run? I have. I happens a lot more than you think. I know, because I live here, and there are a LOT of things that get published down here and not the rest of the country.
I'd love to hear your plans for this intercoastal waterway border for security. If you wanted to sneak in to this country, the Keys would be the way to do it.
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Posted: 04/09/06 - 08:41 Post subject:
I'd have to say it's a little bit of both: security and bigotry. We wouldn't be the first country. I "know" New Zealand has $$ standards for becoming a citizen and it isn't even just having a few assets, try 1/4 million. They don't want people dragging on their economy. I know I'm saving.....because my 12 year old keeps telling me this country resembling the downfall of the Roman Empire. We're at that phase that we have become too fat and lazy to do work and feel we need foreigners to do it
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Posted: 04/09/06 - 09:57 Post subject:
Another issue the conservatives never mention is all your voters are bitching and whining about how their jobs are being undercut, which I understand, by people who will settle for $5 an hour or whatever.
Hello---this is your free market economy at work. This is how your precious market regulates everything. Still feel like it's great?
Kristin: when IRCA was initially passed in 1986, employers were really concerned that they would have to spend time doing the verification research of which you're speaking and essentially forced legislators to leave it out. So now if you see the docs, that's all you have to do.
Is it right for you now to become an aggravated felon for doing the same thing you've been allowed to do since 1986? That's what Sensenbrenner would have done to you, as well as anyone else who "aided" an undocumented alien, by giving them a ride, a meal, or a job. Nice. I guess Sensenbrenner's family got here before the white men.
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Posted: 04/09/06 - 11:44 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | Another issue the conservatives never mention is all your voters are bitching and whining about how their jobs are being undercut, which I understand, by people who will settle for $5 an hour or whatever.
Hello---this is your free market economy at work. This is how your precious market regulates everything. Still feel like it's great?
Kristin: when IRCA was initially passed in 1986, employers were really concerned that they would have to spend time doing the verification research of which you're speaking and essentially forced legislators to leave it out. So now if you see the docs, that's all you have to do.
Is it right for you now to become an aggravated felon for doing the same thing you've been allowed to do since 1986? That's what Sensenbrenner would have done to you, as well as anyone else who "aided" an undocumented alien, by giving them a ride, a meal, or a job. Nice. I guess Sensenbrenner's family got here before the white men. |
Exactly. It's BS, and you can only do so much. If someone comes to you with a valid (in our case, verified by ADP, which I guess would make them felons also) driver's license or state-issued ID card, or a passport, and in some cases even a birth certificate or a "legal" alien card what the heck are you supposed to do but hire them? If the prospective employee provides the proper documentation to complete an I-9 than what do you do? Say "Hey!!! You look Mexican! I think you're illegal!"
As long as someone has what appears to be proper ID (obviously along with the skills necessary to perform the job for which they were applying), they got to work. It was not my job to go and attempt to dig up additional info on them, nor would it be fair (and most likely a violation of civil rights, besides just being downright morally wrong) to do such a thing.
I'm not a private detective. I am a CPA who unfortunately also had to perform an HR function at this resort as part of the payroll process. If everything went through the proper channels and was verified as being legal, then how am I to blame if someone had really good faked documentation?
This country is turning more into an Orwellian nightmare every day.
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Posted: 04/09/06 - 11:44 Post subject:
| Gogirlgo wrote: | Another issue the conservatives never mention is all your voters are bitching and whining about how their jobs are being undercut, which I understand, by people who will settle for $5 an hour or whatever.
Hello---this is your free market economy at work. This is how your precious market regulates everything. Still feel like it's great?
Kristin: when IRCA was initially passed in 1986, employers were really concerned that they would have to spend time doing the verification research of which you're speaking and essentially forced legislators to leave it out. So now if you see the docs, that's all you have to do.
Is it right for you now to become an aggravated felon for doing the same thing you've been allowed to do since 1986? That's what Sensenbrenner would have done to you, as well as anyone else who "aided" an undocumented alien, by giving them a ride, a meal, or a job. Nice. I guess Sensenbrenner's family got here before the white men. |
Exactly. It's BS, and you can only do so much. If someone comes to you with a valid (in our case, verified by ADP, which I guess would make them felons also) driver's license or state-issued ID card, or a passport, and in some cases even a birth certificate or a "legal" alien card what the heck are you supposed to do but hire them? If the prospective employee provides the proper documentation to complete an I-9 than what do you do? Say "Hey!!! You look Mexican! I think you're illegal!"
As long as someone has what appears to be proper ID (obviously along with the skills necessary to perform the job for which they were applying), they got to work. It was not my job to go and attempt to dig up additional info on them, nor would it be fair (and most likely a violation of civil rights, besides just being downright morally wrong) to do such a thing.
I'm not a private detective. I am a CPA who unfortunately also had to perform an HR function at this resort as part of the payroll process. If everything went through the proper channels and was verified as being legal, then how am I to blame if someone had really good faked documentation?
This country is turning more into an Orwellian nightmare every day.
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