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coachmarkos
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 Posted: 02/04/04 - 13:13 Post subject: Fallout from yesterday's primaries...
Kerry wins 5 states
Edwards wins 1
Clark wins 1
Dean wins 0
Lieberman drops out of the race...
I didn't watch as much of the coverage last night, as I had on previous...but, I did hear something interesting...
One of the correspondents, and I can't remember who it was, said that Edwards needs Dean and Clark to drop out of the race. If that would happen, he could possibly come on and still overtake Kerry.
However, Clark has vowed to stay in for now, and Dean doesn't seem to have a grasp on reality, and is sticking around too. This splits up the opposition to Kerry and virtually garuntees his nomination.
Thoughts? 
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jrjo
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Posted: 02/04/04 - 13:19 Post subject:
 ..Dakota voters are fustated I tell you!
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Pug
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Posted: 02/04/04 - 13:28 Post subject:
Dean seems to be holding out for some success in Washington and Michigan. Perhaps if he doesn't do well in those two states, he'll drop out. Dean didn't do much campaigning for these seven states.
But i did read somewhere that 80% of the delegates are still up for grabs. Kerry just has some of the big "Mo".
Edwards needs to start picking up states, especially the southern ones. What are the next big primary days?
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copdotcom1
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Posted: 02/04/04 - 13:47 Post subject:
I do think it is true that Dean and Clark need to drop out and soon if Edwards is going to have a chance against Kerry. I also heard on the coverage last evening that The Democratic party is putting pressure on Dean to drop out. If he and Clark stay much longer I think Kerry will have developed too much momentum for Edwards to overcome. Kerry plays well in the northern states and I don't think Edwards will garner enough delegates, even if he does well in the south if Dean and or Clark hang around to siphon support from him. I really can't imagine why the other two continue to hang on. All of the Democratic pundits are saying that "electability" or the perception that a candidate has a serious chance of beating president Bush seems to be the biggest factor in who people are voting for in the primaries. I don't think anyone really takes Clark seriously since he has zero experience in an elected office. And Dean in my opinion is completely out of touch with reality to stay in given his total lack of success to date.
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msparks
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Posted: 02/04/04 - 13:56 Post subject:
Dean and Clark need to drop in order to help Edwards? Agreed but...how many of those votes would go to Kerry?
One thing's for certain: Big Al Sharpton dropping out - when? when? - isn't going to help anyone. Last check had him with five, count 'em, five delegates.
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Posted: 02/04/04 - 13:56 Post subject:
In Delaware, it was required (supposedly) that a candidate had to get 15% of the vote to be able to get delegates. So Al Sharpton comes in sixth, I think, with 6% of the vote, yet he gets a delegate? Huh?
What's left:
Kerry - just has to not step on a land mine, and the nomination's his for the asking.
Clark - People will soon wise up to realize he's a stalking horse for the Clintons (if Gore had been in this, you never would have seen Clark) and dispose of him.
Edwards - the international man of mystery. Nobody knows what his positions are. Of the remaining candidates, he would have the best shot to beat W.
Dean - much as he will have to admit it, he screwed himself with that speech the night of the Iowa caucuses.
Sharpton - Only 18% of the vote in South Carolina, and received fewer votes among black voters than Edwards there. He'll stay in just to be able to raise hell at the convention.
Kucinich - huh?
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Pug
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Posted: 02/04/04 - 14:01 Post subject:
Here is a snippet from CNN.com about Delaware's Delegates:
Delaware has 15 pledged and eight unpledged delegates. Of the 15 pledged delegates, 10 are district-level delegates (based on results of a given district's binding primary), three are at-large delegates and two are pledged "party leader and elected official" (PLEO) delegates. Of the eight unpledged delegates, seven are unpledged PLEO delegates and one is an add-on chosen during the state Democratic convention on April 3.
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msparks
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Posted: 02/04/04 - 14:01 Post subject:
| gretriever wrote: | | In Delaware, it was required (supposedly) that a candidate had to get 15% of the vote to be able to get delegates. So Al Sharpton comes in sixth, I think, with 6% of the vote, yet he gets a delegate? Huh? |
That's exactly what was reported on CNN.com....6%. Wow!
| gretriever wrote: | | Sharpton - Only 18% of the vote in South Carolina, and received fewer votes among black voters than Edwards there. He'll stay in just to be able to raise hell at the convention. |
And...to provide the comic relief.
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Posted: 02/04/04 - 14:08 Post subject:
| msparks wrote: | | gretriever wrote: | | In Delaware, it was required (supposedly) that a candidate had to get 15% of the vote to be able to get delegates. So Al Sharpton comes in sixth, I think, with 6% of the vote, yet he gets a delegate? Huh? |
That's exactly what was reported on CNN.com....6%. Wow! |
Darn it, I knew I should have run! Perhaps I still can... is the Communist Party still around? Maybe I'll put a personal in the Daily Worker.
P.S. Paw of acknowledgement to Pug for the info on how Delaware breaks down.
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Posted: 02/04/04 - 14:51 Post subject:
I wish I could remember where I just read an article comparing Kerry/Edwards. (msnbc.com perhaps) Their voting records are very similar, although Kerry is ranked more liberal than Edwards. They were saying that Edwards will have to appeal to the "common worker" by playing the card that he earned his millions, while Kerry inherited his.
Should be interesting to watch. I do think that Edwards may have a better chance at beating President Bush, but that's simply and opinion based on little fact. Kerry comes across (to me) as too much of a politician.
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Posted: 02/04/04 - 17:37 Post subject:
| msparks wrote: |
| gretriever wrote: | | Sharpton - Only 18% of the vote in South Carolina, and received fewer votes among black voters than Edwards there. He'll stay in just to be able to raise hell at the convention. |
And...to provide the comic relief. |
There's another theory on why Sharpton's hanging around.
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msparks
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Posted: 02/04/04 - 18:22 Post subject:
| thegman wrote: | | msparks wrote: |
| gretriever wrote: | | Sharpton - Only 18% of the vote in South Carolina, and received fewer votes among black voters than Edwards there. He'll stay in just to be able to raise hell at the convention. |
And...to provide the comic relief. |
There's another theory on why Sharpton's hanging around. |
Not that I suspect that Al Sharpton would be anything but honest... 
He hasn't really succeeded - yet - but there's still time. And I wondered how much was in his war chest.
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