Evolution and Intelligent Design
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camelia bedelia
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 Posted: 01/23/05 - 11:39 Post subject:
You are referring to this?
| Quote: | | Raised Catholic. VERY Catholic. Went to Catholic schools for 16 years and then fell of the wagon. I now spend a lot of time thinking about religion and spiritual things, but have no desire to join a church or raise my children in a specific faith |
That is true, and I don't intend to teach my children that creationism is fact. Just as you (I would assume) aren't going to teach your children that evolution is fact. That doesn't mean I'm not going to teach them that that point of view exists.
As I have said before (numerous times, I believe), I would be very open to my children learning about world religions and all the different beliefs that go along with them. I hope they DO have opportunities to learn all that. But once again I will point out, that is not SCIENCE.
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Cappy
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Posted: 01/23/05 - 11:44 Post subject:
I would like my children to learn both theories, then let them make up their mind as to which theory to believe. Teaching one without teaching the other doesn't seem right to me.
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jrjo
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Posted: 01/23/05 - 11:47 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | As I have said before (numerous times, I believe), I would be very open to my children learning about world religions and all the different beliefs that go along with them. I hope they DO have opportunities to learn all that. |
Will you write letters, make calls, talk to neighbors about getting world religion classes in your local school??
As a parent, you can MAKE "opportunites". Will you attend some vacation bible schools or inter-denominal faith classes at your local library with your kids? Will you look for classes, presentations and lectures at the college there for them to have a chance to learn about creationism?
As you've said before, aside from this board, you don't EVEN know a creationist. It's a bit two-sided to say you are open to your children learning about religions in this thread and then in other threads blatently admit you will have nothing to do with religion. Does that make sense? Am I missing something overly obvious?
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AlaninTX
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Posted: 01/23/05 - 13:22 Post subject:
My take is this; Evolution is accepted scientific fact. It is a theory in that plate tetonics is a theory, or gravity is a theory. Thus, at school I want my kids teachers to spend their time teaching accepted, scientific ideas. Period.
For their spiritual matters, or faith-based ideas of creation, the churches exist, and I want my spirtual leaders to focus on teaching spitual matters.
And I do not want the two institutions to mix. I pay taxes for education, and donate at church. Each needs to stick to what the do best, and I want to change that I can send them to religious private schools.
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Posted: 01/23/05 - 13:35 Post subject:
| AlaninTX wrote: | My take is this; Evolution is accepted scientific fact. It is a theory in that plate tetonics is a theory, or gravity is a theory. Thus, at school I want my kids teachers to spend their time teaching accepted, scientific ideas. Period.
For their spiritual matters, or faith-based ideas of creation, the churches exist, and I want my spirtual leaders to focus on teaching spitual matters.
And I do not want the two institutions to mix. I pay taxes for education, and donate at church. Each needs to stick to what the do best, and I want to change that I can send them to religious private schools. |
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 01/23/05 - 14:55 Post subject:
I'm not sure how what I personally am going to teach my children about creationism is relavent to what public schools should/should not teach, but I will answer your questions.
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Will you write letters, make calls, talk to neighbors about getting world religion classes in your local school?? |
No, I probably wouldn't do all that, because I don't feel strongly that that type of class is critical to their high school or elementary school education. I have limited time, resources and energies and that is not a battle I would choose to fight. While I wouldn't mind them taking an a class like that as an elective (as long as it was truly about all religions and cultures and not pushing one as the "right" one), I know there are other ways for them to learn such things. College is good time for those types of classes. I'm also pretty sure our school district addresses multi-cultural issues better than some.
| Quote: | | As a parent, you can MAKE "opportunites". Will you attend some vacation bible schools or inter-denominal faith classes at your local library with your kids? Will you look for classes, presentations and lectures at the college there for them to have a chance to learn about creationism? |
Yes, I need to make opportunities for them to learn lots of things. Once again you are making assumptions that I can't/won't do that. We talk quite a bit about God and morality and the world and differing beliefs. Just because following a specific religion and doctrine isn't a priority in our home, doesn't mean spirituality is ignored.
I don't feel an in-depth analysis of creationism is vital for them at this point in their life. It is ONE belief from ONE religion. Why is it essential they learn every detail about it? And I'm certainly not going to present it as fact because I don't believe it is. If at some point in their life they want to read more about it, I won't stop them.
| Quote: | | As you've said before, aside from this board, you don't EVEN know a creationist. It's a bit two-sided to say you are open to your children learning about religions in this thread and then in other threads blatently admit you will have nothing to do with religion. Does that make sense? Am I missing something overly obvious? |
How does the fact that I don't go to church translate to the idea that I am going to prevent my children from hearing about what others might believe? No, organized religion is not for me; however, I recognize my children may make other choices. What I want for them is to learn about the world, learn to think for themselves and make their own decisions. If they grow up and choose to be Christian or Buddhist of Jewish or Muslim or Whatever, it will be okay with me. Can you say the same thing?
Okay, so now I've answered your questions - what about you? What are you teaching your children about evolution? Are you presenting an in-depth, fair and balanced review of the subject or are you taking a "this is what some believe, but here are the holes...." approach? Are you making sure your children know about ALL religions and have opportunities to experience/learn about them or just Christianity? What opportunities are you making for your kids to experience things you don't believe in? Is it an option for your kids to decide Christianity is not for them?
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jrjo
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Posted: 01/23/05 - 16:12 Post subject:
I recognize we're prolly bored the tar out of most peeps by this point, but to answer your 6 question, 'yes' to them all. And why is it relevant what you "personally" are doing? It speaks volumes about "do you walk your talk". It adds credence and credibility to your arguments here in On Topic. As the old adage goes, actions speak louder than words. And when it comes to kids and education, what we do with our own is by far the loudest statement we as adults can make.
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 01/23/05 - 16:45 Post subject:
| jrjo wrote: | | I recognize we're prolly bored the tar out of most peeps by this point, but to answer your 6 question, 'yes' to them all. And why is it relevant what you "personally" are doing? It speaks volumes about "do you walk your talk". It adds credence and credibility to your arguments here in On Topic. As the old adage goes, actions speak louder than words. And when it comes to kids and education, what we do with our own is by far the loudest statement we as adults can make. |
Well they weren't exactly yes/no questions, jrjo, but I'll assume you don't want to answer and leave it at that.
The original question here was does creationism belong in a public school. I say "no" (as other's have) because it is a religious belief; whether or not I choose to teach them that at home is irrelevant.
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Posted: 01/29/05 - 23:50 Post subject:
I do not plan to teach Olivia about creationism because I do not believe in it and that's that. I also do not suppose I would want her going to school and learnign about it, either, because, and to be rather frank here, I do not believe in god and it simply will not have a plac ein our house. If she expressed an curiosity for religion and god, then she is more than free to explore it onher own, much like I explored my own personal beliefs.
I am a good person, I hold strong to values, I know the difference between right and wrong, and I consider myself a strongly conscientious person. These "lessons" are to be taught by parents, not academic instituions, except for those that have been founded by a religious institution. But that's not the point really. The point is that our country is a melange of several different religions and it would be impossible to teach every single belief accurately and responsibly in a classroom setting.
That is what churches are for. As for the reason why evolution is discussed within the walls of churches and meeting halls, I think it is part curiosity, part knowing thine enemy. I certainly do no believe it s the responsibility of churches to teach or approach the theory of evolution, and I would not think to assume that it is discussed with any seriousness.
I have always been awed by the theory of evolution. Why just yesterday I took Olivia to the aquarium and marveled at the power of adaptation, change and diversity. 
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Posted: 01/29/05 - 23:51 Post subject:
I do not plan to teach Olivia about creationism because I do not believe in it and that's that. I also do not suppose I would want her going to school and learnign about it, either, because, and to be rather frank here, I do not believe in god and it simply will not have a plac ein our house. If she expressed an curiosity for religion and god, then she is more than free to explore it onher own, much like I explored my own personal beliefs.
I am a good person, I hold strong to values, I know the difference between right and wrong, and I consider myself a strongly conscientious person. These "lessons" are to be taught by parents, not academic instituions, except for those that have been founded by a religious institution. But that's not the point really. The point is that our country is a melange of several different religions and it would be impossible to teach every single belief accurately and responsibly in a classroom setting.
That is what churches are for. As for the reason why evolution is discussed within the walls of churches and meeting halls, I think it is part curiosity, part knowing thine enemy. I certainly do no believe it s the responsibility of churches to teach or approach the theory of evolution, and I would not think to assume that it is discussed with any seriousness.
I have always been awed by the theory of evolution. Why just yesterday I took Olivia to the aquarium and marveled at the power of adaptation, change and diversity.
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Posted: 01/29/05 - 23:53 Post subject:
I do not plan to teach Olivia about creationism because I do not believe in it and that's that. I also do not suppose I would want her going to school and learnign about it, either, because, and to be rather frank here, I do not believe in god and it simply will not have a plac ein our house. If she expressed an curiosity for religion and god, then she is more than free to explore it onher own, much like I explored my own personal beliefs.
I am a good person, I hold strong to values, I know the difference between right and wrong, and I consider myself a strongly conscientious person. These "lessons" are to be taught by parents, not academic instituions, except for those that have been founded by a religious institution. But that's not the point really. The point is that our country is a melange of several different religions and it would be impossible to teach every single belief accurately and responsibly in a classroom setting.
That is what churches are for. As for the reason why evolution is discussed within the walls of churches and meeting halls, I think it is part curiosity, part knowing thine enemy. I certainly do no believe it s the responsibility of churches to teach or approach the theory of evolution, and I would not think to assume that it is discussed with any seriousness.
I have always been awed by the theory of evolution. Why just yesterday I took Olivia to the aquarium and marveled at the power of adaptation, change and diversity.
Wait...what was the question?
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