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DCRunningDiva
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 Posted: 07/05/06 - 08:56 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | RangerG wrote: | | camelia bedelia wrote: | | But how are they going to prove it is the Ark, and not just some boat from a long time ago? |
Hmmm... A wooden boat the size of an aircraft carrier. I would bet $50.00 that no other ship in that historical period came anywhere close to that size.
I would also submit there was not reason to build a ship that large for commercial purposes. And then to find it on top of a mountain?
I think if carbon dating puts it in the right time period, it's going to be hard to discredit....
BTW the great flood appears in the oral and written history of many Native American Tribes. |
I don't necessarily doubt that there was a 'Great" Flood (keeping in mind that something like what is happening in Pennsylvannia right now would have seemed like a world flood to people of a few thousand years ago), and I think it is a even plausible that some guy built a boat to protect his family and livestock. I do believe that most stories in the Bible have a kernel of truth in them, with stories being passed down from generation to generation.
But finding a boat, even if they can use carbon date to prove it is from a specified period of time (and wouldn't [that be ironic?), wouldn't be proof that the building of the boat was directed by God or that there was two of every species of animal on the boat. |
My personal opinion is that a flood similar to what is going on in Pennsylvania isn't near what the Bible talks about in regard to a flood but that is my opinion and we will just have to agree to disagree.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned here that I feel needs to be said is that before Noah's time there was no such thing as rain...let alone a flood. So, for Noah to be out there building a boat all that time would have looked very strange to the people around him. He would have looked like a complete fool...until the waters started to rise. God spoke to Noah and Noah did as God commanded and Noah and his family were the only ones saved from the flood.
If DNA samples were taken and proof of Noah's existence was found it would be good for anyone who doubts the Old Testament. Yes, it is good for the Christian church but it is also good for Jews, Muslims, etc.
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DCRunningDiva
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Posted: 07/05/06 - 09:02 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: | | Ms. Jenn wrote: | | It'll be very interesting to know for certain their findings. It will be a great event for Christians worldwide. It will (hopefully) make those complete non-believers have some of the physical proof they need. |
BTW: Nowhere in the Talmud (first five book of the OT) is there a requirement to believe in God |
Don't you mean the Pentateuch?
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Posted: 07/05/06 - 09:09 Post subject:
| DCRunningDiva wrote: |
One thing that hasn't been mentioned here that I feel needs to be said is that before Noah's time there was no such thing as rain...let alone a flood. So, for Noah to be out there building a boat all that time would have looked very strange to the people around him. He would have looked like a complete fool...until the waters started to rise. God spoke to Noah and Noah did as God commanded and Noah and his family were the only ones saved from the flood. |
that is arguing only from silence. The Bible does not mention rain from Gen. 2 through Gen. 7. allowing some people to interpret this to mean that it didn't rain for nearly 1,500 years. Even if you could dig irrigation canals from the flooding Nile, it wouldn't be enough to sustain agriculture, which we read was taking place. Saying rain didn't exist before Noah's time based on the silence of the scriptures doesn't seem right. do we do that with other things? should we all give up computers and electricity and cars because they aren't mentioned specifically in the Bible?
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Posted: 07/05/06 - 09:13 Post subject:
| keltic63 wrote: | | DCRunningDiva wrote: |
One thing that hasn't been mentioned here that I feel needs to be said is that before Noah's time there was no such thing as rain...let alone a flood. So, for Noah to be out there building a boat all that time would have looked very strange to the people around him. He would have looked like a complete fool...until the waters started to rise. God spoke to Noah and Noah did as God commanded and Noah and his family were the only ones saved from the flood. |
that is arguing only from silence. The Bible does not mention rain from Gen. 2 through Gen. 7. allowing some people to interpret this to mean that it didn't rain for nearly 1,500 years. Even if you could dig irrigation canals from the flooding Nile, it wouldn't be enough to sustain agriculture, which we read was taking place. Saying rain didn't exist before Noah's time based on the silence of the scriptures doesn't seem right. do we do that with other things? should we all give up computers and electricity and cars because they aren't mentioned specifically in the Bible? |
Although I agree with what I have written I received my information from Biblical Scholars; many who believe this to be true.
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Posted: 07/05/06 - 09:17 Post subject:
I'm moving this to On-Topic because I know thegman loves me.
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Posted: 07/05/06 - 12:46 Post subject:
| purple hayes wrote: | | I'm moving this to On-Topic because I know thegman loves me. |
Thread killer! 
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Posted: 07/05/06 - 15:23 Post subject:
| DCRunningDiva wrote: | | andydp wrote: | | Ms. Jenn wrote: | | It'll be very interesting to know for certain their findings. It will be a great event for Christians worldwide. It will (hopefully) make those complete non-believers have some of the physical proof they need. |
BTW: Nowhere in the Talmud (first five books of the OT) is there a requirement to believe in God |
Don't you mean the Pentateuch? |
Yes, thank you. Interesting fact is it not ?
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Posted: 07/05/06 - 16:40 Post subject:
[quote="DCRunningDiva']One thing that hasn't been mentioned here that I feel needs to be said is that before Noah's time there was no such thing as rain...let alone a flood. [/quote]
I hadn't heard that before. How did plants grow, people get water, etc. without rain?
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Posted: 07/06/06 - 08:01 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: |
BTW: Nowhere in the Talmud (first five book of the OT) is there a requirement to believe in God |
No one is required to believe. It's merely a request to believe to receive the bounty he has for you. This bounty just might be peace and happiness for the rest of your life. This bounty might be the kingdom for you to share in if he comes before we die.
I also did not say that finding Noah's ark will make people believe in God. They will believe in Noah and the ark and the great flood. Having a couple days to think about it, that probably won't happen either. If we're lucky, they'll believe it's a very large boat of that period in time. They'll reconcile with themselves different than I would.
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Posted: 07/06/06 - 08:13 Post subject:
| Ms. Jenn wrote: | | andydp wrote: |
BTW: Nowhere in the Talmud (first five book of the OT) is there a requirement to believe in God |
No one is required to believe. It's merely a request to believe to receive the bounty he has for you. This bounty just might be peace and happiness for the rest of your life. This bounty might be the kingdom for you to share in if he comes before we die. |
Unless you're Saint Paul on the road to Damascus no one can make you believe.
Your decision to believe has to come from within, nothing that I say or do, or that someone finds, or what was written will do that for you.
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Posted: 07/08/06 - 20:15 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | [quote="DCRunningDiva']One thing that hasn't been mentioned here that I feel needs to be said is that before Noah's time there was no such thing as rain...let alone a flood. |
I hadn't heard that before. How did plants grow, people get water, etc. without rain?[/quote]
 Wish I had an answer for you.
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Posted: 07/08/06 - 20:18 Post subject:
| andydp wrote: | | Ms. Jenn wrote: | | andydp wrote: |
BTW: Nowhere in the Talmud (first five book of the OT) is there a requirement to believe in God |
No one is required to believe. It's merely a request to believe to receive the bounty he has for you. This bounty just might be peace and happiness for the rest of your life. This bounty might be the kingdom for you to share in if he comes before we die. |
Unless you're Saint Paul on the road to Damascus no one can make you believe.
Your decision to believe has to come from within, nothing that I say or do, or that someone finds, or what was written will do that for you. |
Some people would tend to disagree with that notion ie. Pre-destination vs Free Will.
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Posted: 07/08/06 - 20:58 Post subject:
I'm not sure I understand, are you for free will or are you saying some people think we're pre destined to believe, not believe and nothing we do can change that. In that case Jesus would not have sent disciples out to save the masses. Why bother ? The ones that will be saved will be here, the ones that won't be saved aren't worth the effort.
Anyway, I've been ruminating: Aren't there more important things to learn from the Bible ? Is it really that important if did or didn't rain for 1500 years ? Or is it way more important that Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life. Those that believe in me will be saved ?"
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Posted: 07/10/06 - 11:11 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | DCRunningDiva wrote: | | One thing that hasn't been mentioned here that I feel needs to be said is that before Noah's time there was no such thing as rain...let alone a flood. |
I hadn't heard that before. How did plants grow, people get water, etc. without rain? |
There was morning dew each day sufficient for plants and people drank from springs, rivers, dug wells, etc.. contamination/pollution wasn't an issue back then. 
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Posted: 07/10/06 - 11:39 Post subject:
| DCRunningDiva wrote: |
One thing that hasn't been mentioned here that I feel needs to be said is that before Noah's time there was no such thing as rain |
Uhhh.... Do you believe God changed the laws of nature and physics to what they presently are? Was there no sun? Was there no weather at all? Was there no wind?
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