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DCRunningDiva
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 Posted: 07/29/04 - 21:25 Post subject: Controversy: Embryonic Stem Cell Research
I was just listening to this program on the way home from Tae Kwon Do and I wanted to get all your opinions on it. On this program they said that Bush is NOT opposed to stem cell research - only embryonic stem cell research. This throws a whole new twist on what the media is trying to get us to believe.
Being a Bush supporter, I was quite torn when the bill was shot down. I am a scientist and I understand the reasons for stem cell research. I understand how it will help millions and millions of people. However, the specifics the media is not telling us is that adult stem cells are being used daily to save millions of lives. Why spend government money on embryonic stem cells? Which, btw, may or may not be more help than the adult stem cells that are presently being used.
Some things this program mentioned are:
* They want to use embryonic stem cells to create clones in the future.
* The "twist" that Ron Reagan used in his speech to the Dem Convention by claiming the research wouldn't be used on fetus cells. Of course not...embryos are not to the stage of fetus. So, is he lying? Is he telling what he thinks is the truth?
* Research companies are keeping very quiet and letting the media spin for them because they know the truth - "Show me the money!"
Man, this program really has me thinking. I am going to go do more research on this. Oh, btw, according to some old transcripts from this show, Ronald Reagan would have been rolling over in his grave by the speech his son gave. 
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rolling rock
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Posted: 07/29/04 - 21:43 Post subject:
my 16 yo son has had diabetes since he was 2. there are millions of people like him that would benefit from this program moving FORWARD. keyword=FORWARD. i can't tell you how frustrating and, honestly, how defeating it is to watch this spin and spin and rot and spin some more all in the name of politics. it sickens me. (no pun intended)
i've basically given up on stem cell research as it's as stuck in the mud as anything will ever be.
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DCRunningDiva
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Posted: 07/29/04 - 21:59 Post subject:
| rolling rock wrote: | my 16 yo son has had diabetes since he was 2. there are millions of people like him that would benefit from this program moving FORWARD. keyword=FORWARD. i can't tell you how frustrating and, honestly, how defeating it is to watch this spin and spin and rot and spin some more all in the name of politics. it sickens me. (no pun intended)
i've basically given up on stem cell research as it's as stuck in the mud as anything will ever be. |
From my understanding of this show there is already (right now!) stem cell research being done on diseases such as diabetes. You don't need embryonic stem cells to do the research. And, from what I understand, there is no guarantee that embryonic stem cell research would do anything different than adult stem cell research does right now. BTW, this show also mentioned that nobody is using embryonic stem cells from animals, let alone humans, in any country presently. The big problem is that research companies (and politicians! ) want the money! It would be very expensive for a private company to do the research on their own...even though it is TOTALLY LEGAL to do so at this point.
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Posted: 07/29/04 - 22:19 Post subject:
I am against anything that has to do with embryos even if it could save or make a difference in Abby's life.
There needs to be more clarity in the terminology before it is moved forward.
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Posted: 07/30/04 - 00:15 Post subject:
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omega lambda
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Posted: 07/30/04 - 03:16 Post subject:
According to the NIH guidelines for Federally funded stem cell research; there is evidence that adult stem cells have limited potential compared to embryonic stem cells, stem cells for all cell and tissue types have not yet been found in adult stem cells (specifically cardiac and pancreatic), adult stem cells are present in minute quantities and are difficult to isolate and purify and their numbers decrease with age, adult stem cells may contain more DNA abnormalities caused by exposure to daily living, and there is evidence that cells from adults may not have the same capacity to mulitiply as do younger cells. The only way to know the differences between adult and embryonic stem cell is to study both.
Only embryos that have not yet developed the mesoderm can be used for research (the mesoderm develops into tissues such as connective tissue, muscles and the circulatory system). Only embryos that were created for fertility treatments and were in excess of those needed for treatments can be donated, and the donation of embryos must be voluntary, free of coercion and incentives.
Also, individual states can fund stem cell research with state funds.
Why do you oppose embryonic stem cell research? And if you do, then do you also oppose fertility treatments? Why or why not?
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Posted: 07/30/04 - 05:24 Post subject:
I honestly don't know enough about the issue to have an opinion either way.
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rolling rock
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Posted: 07/30/04 - 19:51 Post subject:
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Posted: 07/30/04 - 19:54 Post subject:
Bush isn't against stem cell research, just FEDERALLY FUNDED stem cell research. There is a (big) difference.
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Posted: 07/31/04 - 09:23 Post subject:
A lot of people are afraid of cloning being done with the harvesting of embryonic stem cells, including myself. Cloning is another very controversial subject and it just gives me the heebie jeebies.
However, the benefits far outweigh those fears. Truly amazing breakthroughs have been shown in so many diseases. I don't see a problem with it being partially federally funded. Why should these scientific research companies be any less eligible for federal grant research money (unless they are cloning which has been specifically banned)?
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Posted: 07/31/04 - 11:01 Post subject:
| omega lambda wrote: | According to the NIH guidelines for Federally funded stem cell research; there is evidence that adult stem cells have limited potential compared to embryonic stem cells, stem cells for all cell and tissue types have not yet been found in adult stem cells (specifically cardiac and pancreatic), adult stem cells are present in minute quantities and are difficult to isolate and purify and their numbers decrease with age, adult stem cells may contain more DNA abnormalities caused by exposure to daily living, and there is evidence that cells from adults may not have the same capacity to mulitiply as do younger cells. The only way to know the differences between adult and embryonic stem cell is to study both.
Only embryos that have not yet developed the mesoderm can be used for research (the mesoderm develops into tissues such as connective tissue, muscles and the circulatory system). Only embryos that were created for fertility treatments and were in excess of those needed for treatments can be donated, and the donation of embryos must be voluntary, free of coercion and incentives.
Also, individual states can fund stem cell research with state funds.
Why do you oppose embryonic stem cell research? And if you do, then do you also oppose fertility treatments? Why or why not? |
Thank you for that, I was hoping you could explain it.
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Posted: 07/31/04 - 11:04 Post subject:
| Ms. Jenn wrote: | | Why should these scientific research companies be any less eligible for federal grant research money (unless they are cloning which has been specifically banned)? |
I'm not saying it should or shouldn't Ms. Jenn. (I personally don't have an opinion on the topic yet.) The rhetoric from the left is just plain wrong when they state that Bush is against Stem Cell Research.
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Posted: 07/31/04 - 11:14 Post subject:
Why do you oppose embryonic stem cell research? And if you do, then do you also oppose fertility treatments? Why or why not?
I, for one, do not oppose stem cell research if it's done in the right way and under strict guidelines. I'm ready to see many of the illnesses, diseases and ailments people in this world are suffering from be eliminated or able to be treated better. It's time to move forward.
I'm not in opposition to fertility treatments. How many people do we know out there who have conceived their children this way? It's something that I know a lot of people are grateful for and they get to enjoy having children for the rest of their lives.
That's my 
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Posted: 07/31/04 - 11:15 Post subject:
| cherylpf wrote: | | omega lambda wrote: | According to the NIH guidelines for Federally funded stem cell research; there is evidence that adult stem cells have limited potential compared to embryonic stem cells, stem cells for all cell and tissue types have not yet been found in adult stem cells (specifically cardiac and pancreatic), adult stem cells are present in minute quantities and are difficult to isolate and purify and their numbers decrease with age, adult stem cells may contain more DNA abnormalities caused by exposure to daily living, and there is evidence that cells from adults may not have the same capacity to mulitiply as do younger cells. The only way to know the differences between adult and embryonic stem cell is to study both.
Only embryos that have not yet developed the mesoderm can be used for research (the mesoderm develops into tissues such as connective tissue, muscles and the circulatory system). Only embryos that were created for fertility treatments and were in excess of those needed for treatments can be donated, and the donation of embryos must be voluntary, free of coercion and incentives.
Also, individual states can fund stem cell research with state funds.
Why do you oppose embryonic stem cell research? And if you do, then do you also oppose fertility treatments? Why or why not? |
Thank you for that, I was hoping you could explain it. |
Good explaination OL! 
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