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bburgoyne26
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Posted: 01/06/05 - 20:18 Post subject: Christian Origins of Life belief categories...
OK, we have probably already beat a dead horse, but here is a good list and explanation of the various Origins beliefs:
from this forum:
http://www.christianforums.com/t842473-the-full-spectrum-of-christian-belief-on-origins-where-are-you.html
The Full Spectrum of Christian Belief on Origins - where are you?
There is currently a spectrum of belief regarding origins, and this is tied loosely to how literal one reads Scripture and/or the degree to which one is willing to allow the evidence of God’s Creation inform their beliefs *about* that Creation. We must keep in mind that every position except the one on top, the Flat-earthers, involves a certain degree of allowance of scientific knowledge to influence Scriptural interpretation.
1. Flat-earthers - believe that a plain reading of Scripture indicates that the earth is flat. Very few still hold on to this belief.
2. Geocentrists - believe that the sun and all the stars literally revolve around the earth. Still a surprising number of these around, although the movement suffered a major setback after the late 60's. They have lots of Scripture and theological bases to argue from, however, and insist that a literal reading of Scriptures requires geocentrism. Ironically, they hold young earth creationists (below) in the same light as theistic evolutionists: those who have let secular science alter their view away from a plain, literal reading of Scripture. A recent shake up over at ICR (or possibly it was AiG) occured when the group finally denounced geocentrism and a number of their contributing members quit because they were geocentrist.
3. Young Earth Creationists - believe that the earth and universe are both young (less than 10,000 years old) and that all the diversity of species is the result of special creation, based on a literal reading of Scripture (even if not AS literal as those above).
4. Gap Theorists (a form of Old Earth Creationism) - Believe that the earth and universe were created at the time science says, but that God created Man and all the animals at the "young earth" time frame. Some believe this is a "recreation", God having scrapped an earlier version (dinosaurs, etc).
5. Progressive Creationists (aka "Day-Age Creationists", another form of OEC)- Believe that the earth and universe were created at the time science says, but that each "day" in Genesis referred to an indefinite period of time. Genesis is a historically and scientifically accurate account, just that it happened over a VERY long time period.
6. Theistic Evolutionists (with a literal Adam and Eve) - believe in an old earth and universe, but accept that God used evolution as part of His creation, basically as science describes it. But they feel that there was a literal Adam and Eve in a literal Garden. Some attribute this Adam and Eve to an instance of special creation, others to election as "representatives", etc. Also believe in biogenesis, not abiogenesis.
7. Theistic Evolutionists (no literal Adam and Eve, but biogenesis) - believe that Man evolved along with the other species (pursuant to God’s plan), but that the initial spark of life was immediately God induced. Some even push this forward to some mass special creation of a variety of "kinds" around the Cambrian period, with all the species evolving from there.
8. Theistic Evolutionists (abiogenesis) - God created everything and established the full system of natural laws upon with the universe and the earth would work. And it did. With life arising at the time and place He had known it would, etc.
A bit of a side category is the Intelligent Design movement of recent years. This asserts that *whatever* you accept about creation, there is firm evidence that the universe and the earth in particular were designed with specific intelligence, by a designer, and not happening randomly. Those holding this opinion come in each of the flavors mentioned above, although the most recent and influential of these have been Theistic Evolutionists (ie, they accept that species evolved over billions of years, including man, but that God directed the process all the way, it was not random or wholly naturalistic).
So, where do you fit in? I don’t necessarily want everyone to post their "number", but it is interesting to see it all laid out like this. If any have suggestions or tweaks to make to the this list, go ahead and say so.
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camelia bedelia
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Posted: 01/06/05 - 23:20 Post subject:
Very interesting; I had no idea there were so many sub-categories. I would say a Theistic Evolutionist (no literal Adam and Eve) is the closest to how I was raised.
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bburgoyne26
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Posted: 01/06/05 - 23:32 Post subject:
| camelia bedelia wrote: | | Very interesting; I had no idea there were so many sub-categories. I would say a Theistic Evolutionist (no literal Adam and Eve) is the closest to how I was raised. |
I didn't either until just a few weeks ago when I bumped into this forum.....
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DCRunningDiva
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Posted: 01/08/05 - 22:07 Post subject:
I would say this is me (depending on what "etc" really means):
Theistic Evolutionists (abiogenesis) - God created everything and established the full system of natural laws upon which the universe and the earth would work. And it did. With life arising at the time and place He had known it would, etc.
I believe in God, the whole God, and nothing but God so help me God.
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Posted: 01/10/05 - 13:49 Post subject:
None of the above, I guess. There are elements in each I disagree with a bit.
I believe that every culture and every religion which stemmed out of those cultures has a creation myth. I also believe that not buying a literal interpretation of a Genesis version of events (more than one, yes?) in no way negates the idea of a divine, or God, or Christ, for that matter.
The word 'Myth' has taken on, in modern Western English, a meaning synonymous with lie or falsehood--the mirror opposite of truth. Not so in prior eras. Ancient and medieval people had a much greater respect for myth as a tool to make understood that which defied explanation. Using the Greek notions, mythos had an equally valid explanatory power as logos (logic). They were parts of a whole in providing greater understanding. They were never meant to be pitted against one another.
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