Ball State University Cuts Cross Country and Track
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cherylpf
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 Posted: 07/17/03 - 15:55 Post subject:
I don't see title IX as reverse discrimination at all. I see it (as I have experienced it on the high school level) as allowing girls athletics to have an opportunity and a slice of the athletic budget pie (ie, just existing, thats all we wanted, being declared a team, we actually funded most of our own costs) before the football team gets their third leather jackets and matching duffle bags paid for by the school with the rest of the athletic fund...I went to a very athletic high school...you can see a lot of them in the nfl now... 
I know I'm running today because I was allowed an opportunity in our athletic program at my high school, and it was a program our chauvinistic AD hated and he would have cut if it weren't for title IX. Obviously its different on the collegiate level, but from where I stand I think its a great thing.
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 16:13 Post subject:
| cherylpf wrote: | | before the football team gets their third leather jackets and matching duffle bags paid for by the school with the rest of the athletic fund...[size=9]I went to a very athletic high school |
I, too, went to a very athletic high school (several NFL players, too). The school did fund some of the program, but most of their funds came from the booster club, ticket sales, and the parents themselves. That was true in the 80s when I was there, was true in the 90s when my father still taught there, and is true in the 00s while my brother coaches there. Actually, all sports, no matter how big or small, received proportionate funds based on participation levels (i.e. the 7 person fencing team got 1/2 the funds the 14 person golf team received).
We had an annual dance competition that took up most of the second half of the year. This was a HUGE thing with the wimmins. When I was captain of the aerobics team my senior year, we were given a very strict budget. Some funds came from the school, but most came from the ticket sales from the previous year's competition. We were penalized if we spent too much (i.e. asking the girls to chip in extra for better costumes), and the school watched the budgets like a hawk. They did the same for every athletic program, too. It sucks that at your district your AD was allowed to get away with crap like you said he did, but that's the school's fault, and ultimately, the state's fault for not monitoring the school's athletic programs more carefully.
But we're not talking high school here, which is a right to every child in America. There needs to be standardization and conformity with the school districts, because it's a state and federally funded institution. Every kid has the right to attend high school. But it's not your right, but your privilege to attend college. No matter how much of a necessity it may be from a future career perspective, it is not your right. You pay for it, because it's something you need to purchase. If you don't have the funds, you can get them through loans, grants, and scholarships, but it obviously is not equitable or fair. But hey, life isn't, either.
My problem with Title IX is this: while it initially it may help to open the door for women's sports that may never have existed without it (good), it also opens the door for institutions to shed men's sports while hiding behind its cloak in an attempt to legitimize their political decisions (bad).
But we of course can go around and around and around with this argument, for at least six pages  , because for every person hurt by it, another poster will find someone helped by it.
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 16:18 Post subject:
7. You need to go around and around for 7 pages, thank you.
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 16:30 Post subject:
| AlaninTX wrote: | | 7. You need to go around and around for 7 pages, thank you. |
You'd think the guy is a lobbyist or sumthin'.
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cherylpf
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 16:30 Post subject:
| AlaninTX wrote: | | 7. You need to go around and around for 7 pages, thank you. |
Yeah, I said 6+...  should I insult someone's mother?
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AlaninTX
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 16:31 Post subject:
What does Title IV have to do with my sainted mother?
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cherylpf
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 16:33 Post subject:
| AlaninTX wrote: | | What does Title IV have to do with my sainted mother? |
Well for one she dresses you funny but I really wasn't going to go there...
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 16:34 Post subject:
"If the Bible has taught us nothing else - and it hasn't - it's that girls should stick to girl's sports, such as hot oil wrestling and foxy boxing and such and such."
Homer J. Simpson
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AlaninTX
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 16:34 Post subject:
Well.......she isn't even French. And here I was feeling bad about you getting drenched on the way to work the other day.
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 16:36 Post subject:
| Runner X wrote: | | Quote: | | Anyone picking colleges more on athletic programs than academic ones has no business being in college in the first place. Even if you need the athletic scholarship to attend the school. |
That isn't entirely true.
Some people have awesome grades and test scores, but no money. An athletic scholarship is the only way for them to go to college. Which means they have to pick their school by which one(s) will give them financial aid if they play a sport.
The better the athletic program, the more likely they would be able to stick around all 4 years and earn a degree. |
That's very true. That's how my sister got through school. Without the athletic scholarship, even though her grades were good she wouldn't have been able to get to the school she wanted.
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cherylpf
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 16:39 Post subject:
| AlaninTX wrote: | | Well.......she isn't even French. And here I was feeling bad about you getting drenched on the way to work the other day. |
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 16:40 Post subject:
| shelflifers wrote: | "If the Bible has taught us nothing else - and it hasn't - it's that girls should stick to girl's sports, such as hot oil wrestling and foxy boxing and such and such."
Homer J. Simpson |
Or maybe you can raise the money for school by throwing hot oil and foxy boxing contests and selling popcorn.... 
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 17:04 Post subject:
Do you know what really ticks me off about Title IX sports?
Is when they have to cut a program because a gay priest at a Catholic university that votes mostly republican ends up ruling against the latino female school president that had an abortion who opted to keep the sport because her atheist sister, that was also in an inter-racial marriage, decided that the sport was valuable to poverty stricken students that came from high schools that used voucher programs all because he stopped by cross country practice one day and saw the kids taking a break and decided that they would never be elites because all they were
doing in his eyes was gallowalking.
All of this after after he finished second and lost $20,000 to the football coach in a university front office Fantasy Football League that used percentages instead of pure yardage and touchdowns.
(this should get us to page 5)
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 17:06 Post subject:
I just hate this get evenism attitude. Some legitimate sports are being canceled at the expense of keeping some sports that are for women only.
As long as more mens sports get canceled than womens in the name of being fair and trying to represent the campus, it is unfair.
It is the same thing as quotas or entrance systems in grad schools and the like.
It just sucks to be man anymore. We have to pay for all the differences of the past and now it has swung the other way.
This country did not become great because of diversity, it became great because of excellence.
In cutting some sports for men just to keep some for women is absurd and unfair.
Then again colleges are not known for making sense or being fair.
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cherylpf
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Posted: 07/17/03 - 17:10 Post subject:
| Runner X wrote: | Do you know what really ticks me off about Title IX sports?
Is when they have to cut a program because a gay priest at a Catholic university that votes mostly republican ends up ruling against the latino female school president that had an abortion who opted to keep the sport because her atheist sister, that was also in an inter-racial marriage, decided that the sport was valuable to poverty stricken students that came from high schools that used voucher programs all because he stopped by cross country practice one day and saw the kids taking a break and decided that they would never be elites because all they were
doing in his eyes was gallowalking.
All of this after after he finished second and lost $20,000 to the football coach in a university front office Fantasy Football League that used percentages instead of pure yardage and touchdowns.
(this should get us to page 5) |
okay, where's celine? Celine??
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