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coachmarkos
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 Posted: 04/22/04 - 13:37 Post subject: Another shocking headline
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robp
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Posted: 04/22/04 - 13:39 Post subject:
Damn Dixie... it sure smells funny in here....
Oh that darn dog was rolling in road kill again...
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gretriever
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Posted: 04/22/04 - 13:41 Post subject:
There's a joke here somewhere involving the line "Did you feel the earth move?" - let me rummage around for it.
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HYPERASHEL
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Posted: 04/22/04 - 13:54 Post subject:
her husband had a perpetual boner. 
even if it was pre meditated i think it should still be considered self-defense. it this was POW scenario and our troop killed their captor in his sleep to escape the troop would be sure to get a medal.
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bpdou
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Posted: 04/22/04 - 13:55 Post subject:
before I make a joke about it, i gotta say...
woulda loaned her my twelve gauge...
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purple hayes
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Posted: 04/22/04 - 14:14 Post subject:
I'm not feeling too much sympathy for the dead husband. She'd have had better luck with the self-defense claim if she'd have called the police herself though.
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bpdou
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Posted: 04/22/04 - 14:16 Post subject:
| purple hayes wrote: | | I'm not feeling too much sympathy for the dead husband. She'd have had better luck with the self-defense claim if she'd have called the police herself though. |
I quite agree, on both counts. Sounds like it's possible the police kinda had an inkling though...
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omega lambda
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Posted: 04/22/04 - 14:22 Post subject:
This is just a thought...if abused women and children were not prosecuted, found guilty, whatever because of "self-defense", perhaps the abusers would stop abusing because of fear of being killed by the abusee?
Weird story. These cases are much more complicated than an abusive husband.
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purple hayes
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Posted: 04/22/04 - 14:26 Post subject:
| omega lambda wrote: | | perhaps the abusers would stop abusing because of fear of being killed by the abusee? |
Abusive spouses aren't mentally right. That whole wouldn't let her have a job and locking her and the kids in the closet business; that's just whacked. He was probably enough of a nut job that he wasn't too worried about death.
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bpdou
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Posted: 04/22/04 - 14:31 Post subject:
| purple hayes wrote: | | omega lambda wrote: | | perhaps the abusers would stop abusing because of fear of being killed by the abusee? |
Abusive spouses aren't mentally right. That whole wouldn't let her have a job and locking her and the kids in the closet business; that's just whacked. He was probably enough of a nut job that he wasn't too worried about death. |
I wonder if many abusers even think it's possible ie. "she wouldn't even be capable of killing me and if she even tried I'd show her a thing or two..."
I agree... "typical" thought processes don't even apply here...
which is why, personally, if the defense showed she'd truly been a victim of that kind of abuse, I'd let her go in a heartbeat. IMHO...
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omega lambda
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Posted: 04/22/04 - 14:36 Post subject:
| bpdou wrote: | | purple hayes wrote: | | omega lambda wrote: | | perhaps the abusers would stop abusing because of fear of being killed by the abusee? |
Abusive spouses aren't mentally right. That whole wouldn't let her have a job and locking her and the kids in the closet business; that's just whacked. He was probably enough of a nut job that he wasn't too worried about death. |
I wonder if many abusers even think it's possible ie. "she wouldn't even be capable of killing me and if she even tried I'd show her a thing or two..."
I agree... "typical" thought processes don't even apply here...
which is why, personally, if the defense showed she'd truly been a victim of that kind of abuse, I'd let her go in a heartbeat. IMHO... |
I have NO experience with this (only what I read and see on TV  ), but you'd think the abuser would think about it. I mean, if the abusee fought back, would it give the abuser pause? I know the abuser's thought processes aren't normal, but still, isn't part of it about power and control? And if that were threatened?
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bpdou
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Posted: 04/22/04 - 14:45 Post subject:
| omega lambda wrote: | | bpdou wrote: | | purple hayes wrote: | | omega lambda wrote: | | perhaps the abusers would stop abusing because of fear of being killed by the abusee? |
Abusive spouses aren't mentally right. That whole wouldn't let her have a job and locking her and the kids in the closet business; that's just whacked. He was probably enough of a nut job that he wasn't too worried about death. |
I wonder if many abusers even think it's possible ie. "she wouldn't even be capable of killing me and if she even tried I'd show her a thing or two..."
I agree... "typical" thought processes don't even apply here...
which is why, personally, if the defense showed she'd truly been a victim of that kind of abuse, I'd let her go in a heartbeat. IMHO... |
I have NO experience with this (only what I read and see on TV ), but you'd think the abuser would think about it. I mean, if the abusee fought back, would it give the abuser pause? I know the abuser's thought processes aren't normal, but still, isn't part of it about power and control? And if that were threatened? |
I don't either. So I'm only guessing here myself. Thank God.
I'd agree it' IS about power and control. But what I wonder is if fighting back makes the abuser work even HARDER at it? Which is why it would escalate into a shotgun blast to the back of the head, the ultimate fight back? Don't know, I'm a graphic designer not a therapist. I'd love to hear what a pro would say about this...
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ShannonG
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Posted: 04/22/04 - 17:04 Post subject:
I think (and I have no basis here) that there is a personality type of woman who is attracted to an abuser in the first place, and that personality type is not an aggressive, 'fighting back' type.
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jrjo
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Posted: 04/22/04 - 17:20 Post subject:
Sumthin' happens when you live in a place where it's corn fields in all directions to the horizon.
I'm not sayin' what.
Just sumthin'.
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bpdou
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Posted: 04/22/04 - 17:22 Post subject:
| ShannonG wrote: | | I think (and I have no basis here) that there is a personality type of woman who is attracted to an abuser in the first place, and that personality type is not an aggressive, 'fighting back' type. |
I see what you're saying. I've known a couple of different women who dated, engaged, got married, one night for whatever reason he hits her. Filed for divorce the next day and OUTTA there, never looked back once.
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