An American President ...a discussion
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runaroundsue
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 Posted: 06/07/04 - 18:00 Post subject:
Public apology:
Sorry G3 for making an assumption.
sue
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GaRebelRunner
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Posted: 06/07/04 - 18:25 Post subject:
| runaroundsue wrote: | | yep.....and I don't think GRR is really getting picked on either. He is, without a doubt, outnumbered in political opinion. Has anyone called him a derogatory name? |
I need to clear up a couple of misconceptions. My "blacksheep" remark was in jest (note the smiley with it). My comment about being browbeaten was only in reference to being very outnumbered on my opinion. I was not complaining. I can take challenges to my comments with no problems. At no time did I make any insinuation anyone was calling me names (at least not publically, anyway. 
That notwithstanding I just got back from my afternoon run giving this post a lot of thought. It is no more disrespectful to Reagan to post honest negative thoughts than it is to post just positive ones. Driving to the track I run on radio talk show host Sean Hannity was singing the praises of Reagan as are the vast majority of news media. I fail to see what would be gained by my waiting until after Wednesday or Friday to make comments concerning him. After all, the negative comments from people like are just as much a legacy as the positive things he did for the country. And furthermore I did not "start" this thread, despite my name being on it. If Genie had not criticized the Cool Runners on this board I would have never made any comments in the first place. I was happy to keep my comments on the CR board knowing this one is somewhat conservative. However, when she openly criticizes another forum and then jumps back here to her holier than thou place of safety, I challenged her. Had she made her original statement leaving out Cool Running I would not have brought this subject over here.
That being said, I'm an oxymoron anyway in that I'm on one hand an unreconstructed Southerner and the other, a very liberal Democrat. So I'm very used to being called on the carpet by both sides for my views. Doesn't bother me. I don't base my posts on the number of people I think will agree or disagree with me.
I'm always up for a good discussion.
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GaRebelRunner
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Posted: 06/07/04 - 18:28 Post subject:
| nolefan85 wrote: | Someone from the CH | Quote: | | Am I glad Reagan is dead? No. Well, kind of. It's time. But I am also kind of ashamed to admit that there was a small part of me that enjoyed the fact that he suffered for years. |
Shame, shame, shame... 
This is what sickened me. I don't like to watch or see the suffering of anyone. I certainly would not wish it upon anyone either.  |
But Nolefan, if you don't like the Club House, since it is another forum, why are you bringing it over here? Leave it there and it won't have to be brought up again. I don't take things from here and post them in the CH, nor vice versa. If you want to talk about something being disrespectful, what about bashing another forum but not wanting them to come over here to respond to your criticisms.
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Noley
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Posted: 06/07/04 - 18:42 Post subject:
| GaRebelRunner wrote: | | nolefan85 wrote: | Someone from the CH | Quote: | | Am I glad Reagan is dead? No. Well, kind of. It's time. But I am also kind of ashamed to admit that there was a small part of me that enjoyed the fact that he suffered for years. |
Shame, shame, shame...
This is what sickened me. I don't like to watch or see the suffering of anyone. I certainly would not wish it upon anyone either. |
But Nolefan, if you don't like the Club House, since it is another forum, why are you bringing it over here? Leave it there and it won't have to be brought up again. I don't take things from here and post them in the CH, nor vice versa. If you want to talk about something being disrespectful, what about bashing another forum but not wanting them to come over here to respond to your criticisms. |
GRR...WTF!!!
I never said in my post that I didn't like CR or the CH. There was nothing mentioned here of it. I never bashed CR/CH nor ever will. So, I think you need to take a serious look at what you've said here. I am posting my opinion on how I felt about one of the posts I read there that sickened me. He/she could have posted the same here and got the same comments. Don't imply or put words out there that I'm attacking CR or the CH. If anything, I'm a "peacemaker" and try to "bridge the gaps". This is BS and I don't appreciate this one bit. I have not stated one thing that was political or indecent.
Give me a Fing Break! 
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Noley
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Posted: 06/07/04 - 18:50 Post subject:
I just read this over again.
I did not say anything to show disrespect for CR or the CH.
People can go round and round with this BS all day long and I get bashed for saying that someone did not compassion for a human being who died? GMAF break. I try to show respect for everyone GRR. This is just plain BS. 
I didn't even mention this person's name... 
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Noley
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Posted: 06/07/04 - 18:54 Post subject:
I think I need to spend more of my time in the kayaking thread. That way I'll make sure my comments are not offensive to anyone here!
Happy Kayaking all!
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GaRebelRunner
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Posted: 06/07/04 - 19:03 Post subject:
| nolefan85 wrote: |
GRR...WTF!!! I never said in my post that I didn't like CR or the CH. |
Okay, I'll take back the part about you not liking CR or the CH. My misread. But you are posting something that you consider negative from another forum over here. Why not post your response over there.
Besides, do you really think kayaking threads are all that safe? You can drown in those things you know.
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Noley
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Posted: 06/07/04 - 19:03 Post subject:
Furthermore, they can come over here and post whatever they want. I was one of the RF people who had no problems with them crossing over when the site was down. I came in their defense!
Give me a break. People have been referring to CR throughout these entire threads. I'm not the first one to do so here.
Ok.
Back to kayaking.
I never quadruple post like this.
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Noley
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Posted: 06/07/04 - 19:04 Post subject:
| GaRebelRunner wrote: | | nolefan85 wrote: |
GRR...WTF!!! I never said in my post that I didn't like CR or the CH. |
Okay, I'll take back the part about you not liking CR or the CH. My misread. But you are posting something that you consider negative from another forum over here. Why not post your response over there.
Besides, do you really think kayaking threads are all that safe? You can drown in those things you know. |
I will go post over there and let it be known. However, it's been stated a couple of times.
And I could drown if I'm not careful kayaking. 
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genie
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Posted: 06/07/04 - 19:14 Post subject:
| GaRebelRunner wrote: | | nolefan85 wrote: | Someone from the CH | Quote: | | Am I glad Reagan is dead? No. Well, kind of. It's time. But I am also kind of ashamed to admit that there was a small part of me that enjoyed the fact that he suffered for years. |
Shame, shame, shame...
This is what sickened me. I don't like to watch or see the suffering of anyone. I certainly would not wish it upon anyone either. |
But Nolefan, if you don't like the Club House, since it is another forum, why are you bringing it over here? Leave it there and it won't have to be brought up again. I don't take things from here and post them in the CH, nor vice versa. If you want to talk about something being disrespectful, what about bashing another forum but not wanting them to come over here to respond to your criticisms. |
II beg to differ. This has nothing to do with liking or not liking the CH. Her example was very relevant to the line of discussion we have been having since Red's post was first made, and calling Marcie out for something that many of us have referred to IN OUR EXAMINATION OF WHAT WE DON'T LIKE about how this is being handled was uncalled for. What she said was merely repeating another quote that she herself held in distaste, as do some of the rest of us. And where did she ever say she didn't want them to come over and address her criticisms? In fact, you said yourself that I was the first one to say to everyone, again IN THE LINE OF DISCUSSION THAT STARTED HERE, not to go over there if you didn't want to get pissed off, because it wasn't pretty. So back off of Marcie and b*tch at me if you need to vent. And for the record, I believe I did say something over there not long after that post first went up and in another post as well. And if you're such a champion of opinions being freely allowed to be spoken, then what do you really care what I say about who and where I say it? Free speech is free speech, is it not? A little consistency maybe?
And if this "holier than thou" place of safety, as you so snidely called it, is so terrible, then why do you come here? And no, G3, I am not throwing him out but merely asking if he doesn't like it here, why does he stay?
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DCRunningDiva
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Posted: 06/07/04 - 19:56 Post subject:
| nolefan85 wrote: | Furthermore, they can come over here and post whatever they want. I was one of the RF people who had no problems with them crossing over when the site was down. I came in their defense!
Give me a break. People have been referring to CR throughout these entire threads. I'm not the first one to do so here.
Ok.
Back to kayaking.
I never quadruple post like this. |
That kayaking thread is looking better and better! 
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GaRebelRunner
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Posted: 06/07/04 - 20:00 Post subject:
| genie wrote: | [ And for the record, I believe I did say something over there not long after that post first went up and in another post as well. And if you're such a champion of opinions being freely allowed to be spoken, then what do you really care what I say about who and where I say it? Free speech is free speech, is it not? A little consistency maybe?
And if this "holier than thou" place of safety, as you so snidely called it, is so terrible, then why do you come here? And no, G3, I am not throwing him out but merely asking if he doesn't like it here, why does he stay? |
Certainly you are free to voice your opinions, but then don't complain when others such as myself respond. What you tried to do was put in snide remarks about another forum as if this one was above such remarks.
And you are the only one with the holier than thou attitude toward posters you disagree with. The other posters on this board have been reasonable. And I'm as much a part of this community as you are honey, so get used to it. 
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genie
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Posted: 06/07/04 - 20:05 Post subject:
| GaRebelRunner wrote: | | genie wrote: | [ And for the record, I believe I did say something over there not long after that post first went up and in another post as well. And if you're such a champion of opinions being freely allowed to be spoken, then what do you really care what I say about who and where I say it? Free speech is free speech, is it not? A little consistency maybe?
And if this "holier than thou" place of safety, as you so snidely called it, is so terrible, then why do you come here? And no, G3, I am not throwing him out but merely asking if he doesn't like it here, why does he stay? |
Certainly you are free to voice your opinions, but then don't complain when others such as myself respond. What you tried to do was put in snide remarks about another forum as if this one was above such remarks.
And you are the only one with the holier than thou attitude toward posters you disagree with. The other posters on this board have been reasonable. And I'm as much a part of this community as you are honey, so get used to it. |
yourself! I bet YOUR name's not written on the men's room......ummm....never mind..... 
Enough of this nonsense already. When does the making up over a few pints of beer come in? 
On another less controversial note, is anyone else besides me creeped out over this business of flying his body all over the country for funerals? I know he was the President and all, but.... 
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elkid
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Posted: 06/07/04 - 20:53 Post subject:
Good god. Someone forwards me this thread as I've been apparently been mentioned, and ... good god. I only PM and put up race reports, and don't read anything else or lurk by choice. I have only read the occasional RR posts forwarded to me. But six weeks I'm gone, yet everything seems the same. A few comments:
1. I have met and befriended more RRers than anyone here (at least, the ones that have posted in the last 6 months or so). I have been extremely fortunate and blessed to have made friends through this site and CR that I never would have met otherwise. That said, I would never confuse my friends with the veneer of the person they present themselves to be online. In meeting people, and in them meeting me, the things held back in the public realm of the internet are made clear. Many times for the better, though sometimes for the worse. I do not agree with everything they believe, do, or say, and they don't agree with me all the time, either. Discussion of these differences of opinion are held via PM, email, phone, or face-to-face conversations as they should be, in a civilized fashion. Just as discussions of our agreements and friendship basis. You will never truly know a person until you meet them; while an internet community is a way to maintain these ties, it can never be a viable substitute for the real thing (as someone else tried to mention a few times).
2. It is your duty and right as an American citizen to question the agendas of the political leaders you elect to represent you. Just because someone holds a highly respected office does not mean you must like that particular person or their style. Criticism is healthy and necessary to keep our leaders honest and in touch with the views, needs, and wants of the citizenry at large. It also means that you may feel for a person's family in their death, but that you don't necessarily have to be particularly saddened by their passing. History gives us countless examples of how question and disbelief of the citizenry has given way to positive changes in both domestic and foreign policy. I'm glad to have been born right when the shift from blind faith in political leaders to dubious doubt of their character and actions occurred. I'm also glad to have people who labor tirelessly to protect my freedoms to believe, question, and speak my mind.
3. Democrat is not synonymous with liberal, nor is Republican synonymous with conservative. As such, anyone who votes or thinks straight party line does a huge disservice to the American voting process and political system. An educated, informed citizen votes on a person's platform, ideologies, and past performance, not simply because they cloak themselves with a political label.
4. The Us v. Them mentality has never, in any form, been productive. It has caused too many political coups, religious bloodbaths, economic fiascos, and militaristic blunders from every nation, from every religion, from every "ism". This mentality feeds into a collective frenzy where no one will ever prevail, where no one will ever succeed, where no one can possibly ever win. Big battle or small, Us. v. Them = failure.
5. The right to have a differing opinion is the cornerstone of American society. I would argue it is the very fabric of our nation. The founding fathers came here because they had different political, economic, and religious viewpoints they couldn't openly discuss or espouse. It is through the differing opinions of others that individuals grow in knowledge, temperance, and respect. To attempt to shut it down or mock it betrays the ideals upon which our country was born.
6. As Sahara said, bah.
That said, I have a few pictures of outings to share. When I get back home I shall post them.  And I once again apologize, gman, that I didn't tell you sooner I was close enough to visit.
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GaRebelRunner
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Posted: 06/07/04 - 21:19 Post subject:
| genie wrote: | [ yourself! I bet YOUR name's not written on the men's room......ummm....never mind.....
Enough of this nonsense already. When does the making up over a few pints of beer come in?
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You never know where you're going to run into people at. It's a small world. I'll buy the first round.
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