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PostPosted: 10/22/04 - 00:23    Post subject: 9/11 report being delayed
Why is the CIA suppressing its report on 9/11, that finds faults with the way the agency's failures leading up to that fateful day, until after the election? This report was complete in early summer. Aren't the american people entitled to see what it contains since Bush-Cheney have chosen to make terror a keystone issue in their campaign?

The 9/11 Secret in the CIA's Back Pocket
* The agency is withholding a damning report that points at senior officials.


Robert Scheer - LA Times
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It is shocking: The Bush administration is suppressing a CIA report on 9/11 until after the election, and this one names names. Although the report by the inspector general's office of the CIA was completed in June, it has not been made available to the congressional intelligence committees that mandated the study almost two years ago.

"It is infuriating that a report which shows that high-level people were not doing their jobs in a satisfactory manner before 9/11 is being suppressed," an intelligence official who has read the report told me, adding that "the report is potentially very embarrassing for the administration, because it makes it look like they weren't interested in terrorism before 9/11, or in holding people in the government responsible afterward."

When I asked about the report, Rep. Jane Harman (D-Venice), ranking Democratic member of the House Intelligence Committee, said she and committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) sent a letter 14 days ago asking for it to be delivered. "We believe that the CIA has been told not to distribute the report," she said. "We are very concerned."

According to the intelligence official, who spoke to me on condition of anonymity, release of the report, which represents an exhaustive 17-month investigation by an 11-member team within the agency, has been "stalled." First by acting CIA Director John McLaughlin and now by Porter J. Goss, the former Republican House member (and chairman of the Intelligence Committee) who recently was appointed CIA chief by President Bush.

The official stressed that the report was more blunt and more specific than the earlier bipartisan reports produced by the Bush-appointed Sept. 11 commission and Congress.

"What all the other reports on 9/11 did not do is point the finger at individuals, and give the how and what of their responsibility. This report does that," said the intelligence official. "The report found very senior-level officials responsible."

By law, the only legitimate reason the CIA director has for holding back such a report is national security. Yet neither Goss nor McLaughlin has invoked national security as an explanation for not delivering the report to Congress.

"It surely does not involve issues of national security," said the intelligence official.

"The agency directorate is basically sitting on the report until after the election," the official continued. "No previous director of CIA has ever tried to stop the inspector general from releasing a report to the Congress, in this case a report requested by Congress."

None of this should surprise us given the Bush administration's great determination since 9/11 to resist any serious investigation into how the security of this nation was so easily breached. In Bush's much ballyhooed war on terror, ignorance has been bliss.

The president fought against the creation of the Sept. 11 commission, for example, agreeing only after enormous political pressure was applied by a grass-roots movement led by the families of those slain.

And then Bush refused to testify to the commission under oath, or on the record. Instead he deigned only to chat with the commission members, with Vice President Dick Cheney present, in a White House meeting in which commission members were not allowed to take notes. All in all, strange behavior for a man who seeks reelection to the top office in the land based on his handling of the so-called war on terror.

In September, the New York Times reported that several family members met with Goss privately to demand the release of the CIA inspector general's report. "Three thousand people were killed on 9/11, and no one has been held accountable," 9/11 widow Kristen Breitweiser told the paper.

The failure to furnish the report to Congress, said Harman, "fuels the perception that no one is being held accountable. It is unacceptable that we don't have [the report]; it not only disrespects Congress but it disrespects the American people."

The stonewalling by the Bush administration and the failure of Congress to gain release of the report have, said the intelligence source, "led the management of the CIA to believe it can engage in a cover-up with impunity. Unless the public demands an accounting, the administration and CIA's leadership will have won and the nation will have lost."
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PostPosted: 10/22/04 - 07:40    Post subject:
I'll be very honest. Although I'm a ABB person, I really think these reports are totally bogus. No one, from Clinton, Bush or any other official foresaw an event where an organized group could actually get hold of 4 passenger jets and crash them into buildings in such a coordinated attack. Sure there were reports from time to time that such an event could happen. But in our wildest imaginations it never occurred that a coordinated attack using several planes at roughly the same time could be carried out in the U.S.

The only reason 9/11 occurs is because pilots and passengers were systematically cooperated with hijackers prior to 9/11 because historically the planes were simply used to go somewhere else and then everyone would be released and simply late to their destination.

Can you imagine the uproar of the American people if Bush had instituted the same security we have at airports today prior to 9/11? We would have all thought he was crazy.

Like Pearl Harbor it was event that had to happen to point out our vulnerability. We have learned from it. When I fly now, everyone from passengers to flight attendants are aware of the actions of fellow passengers on a flight. That is the best defense against another 9/11.
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PostPosted: 10/22/04 - 08:08    Post subject:
GaRebelRunner wrote:
I'll be very honest. Although I'm a ABB person, I really think these reports are totally bogus. No one, from Clinton, Bush or any other official foresaw an event where an organized group could actually get hold of 4 passenger jets and crash them into buildings in such a coordinated attack. Sure there were reports from time to time that such an event could happen. But in our wildest imaginations it never occurred that a coordinated attack using several planes at roughly the same time could be carried out in the U.S.



But isn't that what the 9/11 report woud tell us? Whether or not people DID have prior knowledge of what was possible? I don't think the average American imagined it could happen, but the higher ups could have, and even should have, had some kind of inkling.
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PostPosted: 10/22/04 - 08:18    Post subject:
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But isn't that what the 9/11 report woud tell us? Whether or not people DID have prior knowledge of what was possible? I don't think the average American imagined it could happen, but the higher ups could have, and even should have, had some kind of inkling.
Wouldn't it be more a question of possible versus probable? GRR raises a good point - anything is in the realm of possibility - planes turned into missiles, dirty bombs, chemical, bacterial, what have you. The question is: how much do you determine a method is likely to happen? One can't foresee all possible methods; and if we took measures to prevent every method considered, it would open another Pandora's box of paying for the appropriate security, intelligence, costs of personal liberties, etc. Unfortunately, it's a case of making the best guess on what's most likely, and proceed from there.
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PostPosted: 10/22/04 - 08:30    Post subject:
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But isn't that what the 9/11 report woud tell us? Whether or not people DID have prior knowledge of what was possible? I don't think the average American imagined it could happen, but the higher ups could have, and even should have, had some kind of inkling.


I just don't believe they had any real knowledge anymore than we did. Sure they received thousands of intelligence leads every day. Deciding which ones are credible and which ones not is not an easy task. We have the advantage today of knowing historically what happened and looking back, sure we had lots of warning. We did at Pearl Harbor too. But what appears obvious historically is not so obvious in real time situations.

Yes, it's easy to point fingers and name names. IMHO, it serves no purpose in actually resolving why 9/11 happened. Take what we learned and apply it, which in many ways we are doing today, and prevent it from happening again.

Barring a very specific and credible threat that can be proven was a pure derelection of duty, I think we're chasing our tails with all these reports. They are valid for what happened and why, but blaming is another issue.
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PostPosted: 10/22/04 - 08:33    Post subject:
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I just don't believe they had any real knowledge anymore than we did. Sure they received thousands of intelligence leads every day. Deciding which ones are credible and which ones not is not an easy task. We have the advantage today of knowing historically what happened and looking back, sure we had lots of warning. We did at Pearl Harbor too. But what appears obvious historically is not so obvious in real time situations.

Yes, it's easy to point fingers and name names. IMHO, it serves no purpose in actually resolving why 9/11 happened. Take what we learned and apply it, which in many ways we are doing today, and prevent it from happening again.

Barring a very specific and credible threat that can be proven was a pure derelection of duty, I think we're chasing our tails with all these reports. They are valid for what happened and why, but blaming is another issue.


If I may be so abrubt, I think your missing the point. Why won't the CIA release this report to congress which called for the investigation?
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PostPosted: 10/22/04 - 08:39    Post subject:
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Barring a very specific and credible threat that can be proven was a pure derelection of duty, I think we're chasing our tails with all these reports. They are valid for what happened and why, but blaming is another issue.


I guess we will never know if there was 'very specific and credible' information if they refuse to release the investigation....

And while the 9/11 attacks shocked the American public, if the Intelligence agencies were working together and doing their jobs...the whole plot shouldn't have seem all that far fetched to them...

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PostPosted: 10/22/04 - 08:56    Post subject:
and this is a government bureaucracy problem not with any administration. We can point fingers all we want but this "system" has been in place for years.
Being a government employee I can tell you first hand how territorial people in this type of profession are. People do not see the big picture and want all the credit. Things would get done a lot better if more people focused on the big picture not the glory.
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PostPosted: 10/22/04 - 10:24    Post subject:
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If I may be so abrubt, I think your missing the point. Why won't the CIA release this report to congress which called for the investigation?


Don't you think if Congress really wanted this report released now they could do so? If it truly names names and assesses blame I suspect the Democrats have as much to fear as the Republicans in this election year.
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Don't you think if Congress really wanted this report released now they could do so? If it truly names names and assesses blame I suspect the Democrats have as much to fear as the Republicans in this election year.


I do care who it names, democrat or republican, with terrorism a top issue and concern in this election...shouldn't we the voters see what is in the report before the election?

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PostPosted: 10/22/04 - 11:29    Post subject:
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I do care who it names, democrat or republican, with terrorism a top issue and concern in this election...shouldn't we the voters see what is in the report before the election?

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If someone truly knew of an imminent attack and did absolutely nothing, then yes we should know their name. I just think looking for an individual is a witchhunt which will resolve nothing. I seriously doubt even if the report does name names it will change any opinions in the election.

From my viewpoint the report is simply a non-issue. We will debate for years who knew what and could they have prevented 9/11 just as Pearl Harbor has always been debated. From a political standpoint I don't see that it makes much difference if the report is released before or after the election. I seriously doubt it contains any earth shattering information.

There are several reasons I'm voting against Dubya. This report and/or assessing blame on 9/11 is not one of them.
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PostPosted: 10/22/04 - 11:40    Post subject:
This comes as a surprise?
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PostPosted: 10/22/04 - 11:43    Post subject:
While I can see what GRR is saying, probably there wasn't much to be done, I would be interested to see what the report does say either direction, and the fact that it is being suppressed is more than a little troublesome to me.
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I agree with GRR and I think this is just more sabotage by a desperate campaign to do anything they can to throw more suspicion on Bush and his staff. Funny how this is all coming out right before a very close election. And we're forgetting one point, if Clinton hadn't hamstrung the intelligence agencies to begin with, there wouldn't have been this lack of communication. But like GRR says, we can debate til the end of time whose fault it was. That doesn't bring back any of the victims, but squabbling about this does detract from the real matter at hand, making sure systems are put into place so that it never happens again, at any level.

Really, I find it amusing that the Democratic party doesn't even have enough faith in the strength of their own candidate to be able to run on his merits and not have to keep digging crap up to make Bush look bad. To me, that speaks volumes. The bulk of Kerry's rhetoric has always been "Bush did it wrong" rather than, this is what I will do.....especially in the debates. Am I the only person who notices this, whether you like Kerry or Bush?
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PostPosted: 10/22/04 - 12:50    Post subject:
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I agree with GRR and I think this is just more sabotage by a desperate campaign to do anything they can to throw more suspicion on Bush and his staff.


Both Dems and Repubs from the House Intelligence Committee are asking for the report. The following is excerpted from the commentary above: 'When I asked about the report, Rep. Jane Harman (D-Venice), ranking Democratic member of the House Intelligence Committee, said she and committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) sent a letter 14 days ago asking for it to be delivered. "We believe that the CIA has been told not to distribute the report," she said. "We are very concerned." '

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Funny how this is all coming out right before a very close election.


The report was completed in early summer and hasn't been released. Why not release the report and let the American people decide whether their is anything damaging in it to either party. My suspicion is that the report doesn't damm either party as fully culpable but does point to weaknesses in the intelligence system, that still haven't been addressed or corrected.

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And we're forgetting one point, if Clinton hadn't hamstrung the intelligence agencies to begin with, there wouldn't have been this lack of communication.


Not that I disagree but it is an easy statement to place blame on Clinton, Bush, etc. What exactly did Clinton do to 'hamstring' the intelligence community?

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But like GRR says, we can debate til the end of time whose fault it was. That doesn't bring back any of the victims, but squabbling about this does detract from the real matter at hand, making sure systems are put into place so that it never happens again, at any level.


Agree. But until the Congress and American people know what is in the report how can we exact change necessary to 'make sure systems are put into place so that it never happens again, at any level. Why does our government continually downplay the intelligence of the American people in this regard? If one or both parties is touting if one or the other is elected that we will be less safe than in my opinion the report is very relevant to the american people in deciding whether each parties' rhetoric holds muster.

genie wrote:
Really, I find it amusing that the Democratic party doesn't even have enough faith in the strength of their own candidate to be able to run on his merits and not have to keep digging crap up to make Bush look bad. To me, that speaks volumes. The bulk of Kerry's rhetoric has always been "Bush did it wrong" rather than, this is what I will do.....especially in the debates. Am I the only person who notices this, whether you like Kerry or Bush?


What does Kerry have to do with this issue? Who is blaming Bush for anything? I (and Congress) want to see what is in the dammed report!

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